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this is Jim semithan and you are

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listening to that UFO podcast

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hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO

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podcast my name is Andy with your

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breakdown for September pretty much for

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the full month I think this is the first

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one for the month namely because I've

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been pretty lazy uh Dan joins me for

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this one Dan welcome

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uh yeah hi

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um I I should have uh you know like

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trumpets sounding but I think people

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expect me on the breakdown now so yeah

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we don't need big intros no in all

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there's plenty to talk about as well and

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we've got a couple of bigger topics to

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discuss first off including Chris melon

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on Linda Moulton Howe which we'll get to

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which is a strange combination

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um even though they're both involved in

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the same topic uh the Wilson Davis

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controversy slash progress slash update

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that happened recently as well that's

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kind of got people talking and again has

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has people kind of button heads a little

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bit online and then of course I've got

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some news to run through including the

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the recent Nim Aviation logo that came

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out with the saucer on it uh debrief

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classification article the dark asteroid

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Smash and then some other bits and

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pieces as well to run through at the end

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so it should be a nice summation of

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what's kind of going on this month just

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again to show folks there is a whole lot

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going on if you think things are quiet

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in the world of UFOs slash uaps slash

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whatever you want to call them but here

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we are listen first up um pretty fresh

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as well we're recording this on the 29th

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of September it'll be out on the 29th of

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September for folks to listen to

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straight off the bat and Chris Mellon

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has been on with Linda Milton Howe

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um just just last night it was on the

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29th as we speak in the UK but it was a

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28th still in the US because time travel

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that's how that happened

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um this this is one that got people

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walking out the eyebrows raised Chris

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Miller and Linda Moulton how done well

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they're very much too

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two people involved in the the same

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subject the same Worlds Apart don't they

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and like it was really weird in seeing

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them together like can I win the rock

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faced Hulk Hogan it was like oh you've

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both done this for years but never

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expected to see in the same place at the

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same time even though they do the same

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thing that's a good way of putting it

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just very different eras of ufology yeah

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you know and it's nice

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yeah you could kind of see that tension

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in the conversation sometimes you know

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Linda wanted to probably talk about

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Antarctica and Spartan one and two and

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all those kind of really interesting

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things but Chris was like legislation

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like you know the uh laser focus yeah so

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see them come face to face actually my

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note I put down at the time was it's

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like when you see your mum and dad who

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have been divorced for several years

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together at a parent's night

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um and there's just that kind of

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awkwardness between them but they're

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there to have a similar type of

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discussion but maybe get different

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things out of it

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um straight away Linda asks about the

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upcoming amendments and legislation uh

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changing how Pilots example having to

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sign ndas after an encounter with a UFO

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that could change what would the process

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be is it going to make things easier and

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I think at the start I thought oh

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interesting this is going to be maybe

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the tone of the conversation but spoiler

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alert like you say Linda quickly brings

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things back to the animal mutilations

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abductions pretty quick in the

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conversation the conversations only

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about 15 minutes long then but it's yeah

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really really short one like those

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divorced parents you know they keep they

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keep it Slappy they've got their slot

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and to be fair they were together at a

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conference weren't they and I think this

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has very much been probably a rather

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hastily arranged uh Linda's asked for

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the time Chris has been been good enough

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together that time and she deserves it

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to be fair and it's been what can we get

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done but he was there for and this is

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just my opinion folks and you know I can

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be wrong sometimes but it seemed like he

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was there to have one conversation she

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was there to have another

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and she was doing her best to ask the

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question she wanted to which I can

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totally appreciate by the way but at the

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same time

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he was only there to give certain

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I I put down Chris melon seems like a

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fantastic filter to have between people

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like Linda who have done a lot of work

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in research and do have a lot of

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knowledge but potentially very biased

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knowledge like maybe you could put a

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Steven Greer in the same category as a

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filter between

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what should go through to people places

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like congress with politicians and

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policy makers and decision makers but

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also be able to get rid of all that

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other stuff that is just not part of the

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conversation right now

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um does that feel Fair yeah I would say

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so uh and and that's what we kind of

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need to do right you know we we can't go

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to Congress imagine if in those hearings

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we started bringing up all the the kind

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of the wooia aspects of the conversation

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people would switch off you know there

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were plenty of complaints about the The

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Stranger stuff being brought into the

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Brazilian hearings but that's just the

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culture there the more accepting of it

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so you know it wouldn't rub locals up in

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the same way as it rubs people looking

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in yeah uh but yeah Chris was nice and

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focused on the legislative stuff uh you

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know reminding people that there are

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people in uh Arrow the duap task force

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now that don't feel like they're getting

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all the answers and this legislation

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that's coming in is designed to to help

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them get to where they want to be so

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that they can study this that will

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probably come with a name change for the

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UAP office as well to the UAP jpo which

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is joint program office where it

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basically means that everyone's working

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something that I didn't know that Linda

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mentioned is that her brother saw

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a crafter Malmstrom

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yeah that was new to me as well and I

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thought is that new or is that something

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that she just dropped and maybe a long

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time like hardcore listeners of Linda

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excuse the language of Hardcore I don't

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know if that's the right way way to see

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it she doesn't have an only fans

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Linda maybe knew that already but yeah I

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was a bit surprised at that um and and

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to be fair Chris took the stuff like

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that and the nature that was intended

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but always bringing it back to to

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legislation and she did ask about the if

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this goes through would it become law in

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the the January time and he said yeah it

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should if it goes through in a

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successful it'll be enacted by the

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Year's End and then should become law

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January 2023 without any issues or

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anything that gives upset in the in the

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background yeah precisely as soon as

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it's signed in last year we saw it

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signed in around Christmas you know the

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same week of and as soon as it's signed

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it's basically all systems go for for

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the UAP jpo office and and I'm sure that

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Dr Kirkpatrick Who currently runs Arrow

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would love all the help that he can get

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to kind of sift through this history of

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information and things that he is or he

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isn't getting to to study

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now Linda outright asks Chris if he

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would be surprised if an announcement

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came out soon that we weren't alone in

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the universe and it kind of laughs

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doesn't it and very quickly Kai Bosh is

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that I like the word kibosh and says I

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would be surprised yes I don't think

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we're we're near that

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um that's not what this process is about

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again it's that that to me showed that

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change in divide of but people really

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want to ask this stuff and Chris melon

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frustratingly level-headed but you

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expect that from him at this point it's

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his role in all of this is very much the

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he far more than Louis zondo is seems to

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be the guy who's doing a lot of the work

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in the background and just now and again

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steps out to say here's where we're at

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here's an interesting article here's

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where it's pushing things down the line

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and then goes back to doing what he's

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doing and which is obviously very much

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appreciated by many

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um but he he just puts that straight on

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there look no that's not what this is

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about this isn't about you know

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disclosure as such in the the president

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announcing anything

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um however what I thought was thought

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was interesting is Chris does drop a

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time scale on things and says hopefully

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in a year or two we'll know more about

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the truth of this and we can stop the

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speculating

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which again because Linda just before

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that for context had talked again about

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mutilations abductions and he just

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doesn't go there in the conversation but

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seems to to give indication that you

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know what in a year or two it's possible

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that we've got some answers to this kind

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of stuff and I thought that was a very

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interesting

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yeah because he doesn't seem the kind of

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guy to throw out kind of spurious

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language and and just throw numbers on

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things because again like when Lou

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Elizondo mentioned the the five years

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comment everyone jumped on that and

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anytime and in the upcoming interview

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people are going to hear with Jim

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semivan

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um you've not even listened to that

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yourself yet Dad I've only sent it to

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you yesterday yeah that's right it's on

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my computer ready to edit but I haven't

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jumped in here a mini spoiler but a

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spoiler on really nothing but and I joke

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with Jim about this at the time he

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mentions a date of April 15 2023 okay

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just talking about you know if something

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happened blah blah blah and I I made the

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comment to him that just because you

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have now said that people will look into

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that date as Jim simivan said and he was

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like no no I've only laughed I've

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literally just picked that date Chris

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melon doesn't seem like that type of guy

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who is just throwing out a time scale of

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a year or two so for me that seems that

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he's confident to a degree that within

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the next 12 to 24 months showing that I

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know what a year is we could really have

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a little bit more progress or quite a

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bit more progress than we're seeing now

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so hope yeah hope for you in that one

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it's interesting to extrapolate forward

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the legislation that we've got going

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through this year you know people have

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pointed out essentially that there's no

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punishment if no one wants to come

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forward to talk about this thing you

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know this year it's all carried you know

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kind of saying hey you know if you come

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to us we will make sure that you're not

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prosecuted and that you're protected

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from the people that made you sign an

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nd8 so on so forth but then if you think

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next year's legislation because this is

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built on last year's legislation already

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so next year's is probably going to be

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hey we gave you a year to come forward

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and you haven't so we're gonna start

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kicking in the door now so we'll

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probably see some language about

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repercussions and things like that so

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it's interesting to think that Chris's

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time scale is set essentially after

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they've put out the carrot and the stick

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to kind of say okay you know the this is

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the punishment this is the reward which

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which do you want and he seems pretty

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confident that uh people people are

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ready to talk

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however just to clear up on that

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it's not a case of people are going to

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come forward and in a public sense spell

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all the beans about what they know in

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terms of classified projects crash

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retrieval programs and that that's not

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what this is about Chris Miller's trying

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to get that language in there and these

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people to come forward along with many

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others but most of that if not all of it

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is going to happen in a classified set

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and still probably or or behind closed

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door setting

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um and yeah I know that the Frank

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Melbourne interview a little bit

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divisive I think is the word that we're

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all using

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um and some of the things Frank said and

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Frank's a very Brash guy and has his own

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way of saying very Frank about things

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he's very Frank very Melbourne and he um

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but he made a very fair point and others

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have said this too that it's not just as

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easy as well the UFO Community want

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people to come forward and talk about it

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so they will it's like Dan like if you

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were in that position and you had a

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family and a career and and generally

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you had loved ones yeah yeah don't worry

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we're going to let you talk about what

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you want to talk about but there's then

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no doubt awful as it sounds threats that

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happen in the background and you know oh

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that's a shame if your wife lost her job

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and your kids got kicked out that

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private school and what can happen in

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the snowball affecting consequence of

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those people still coming out so it's

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all very well and good people saying

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yeah well whistleblowers are all going

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to come forward now there's probably a

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fair reason for many of them to not want

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to come forward and like Frank sort of

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said some of them potentially tell level

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of needing to go into some sort of

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extreme Witness Protection Program

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depending on what they come forward and

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say so yeah it's all well and good

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seeing yep the legislation will be there

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for people to come forward

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coming forward's a whole nother ball

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game and I can totally appreciate that

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that human element of things that maybe

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people just don't consider and that's

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that's very important I think in this

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and anyone that can come forward you

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know we we've heard that people like

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Eric Davis have already testified behind

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closed doors so when we're talking about

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this legislation being set up to protect

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people we're not talking about people

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like Eric Davis who's quite frankly said

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out loud you know with dealing with

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craft that are not from this not made by

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human hands you know

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so

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essentially that signifies that there

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are people from the Legacy programs

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waiting to come forward because this

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language doesn't really get written if

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there aren't

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but I wonder how many Pilots you know

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for example Ryan Graves uh you know he's

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been out there talking about the Gimbal

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and the events that surrounded it and

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things like that but we've never heard

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from the actual pilot because supposedly

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they were still in service and and you

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know they couldn't talk but this

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legislation might let them talk

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to the Senators and and hopefully

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it'll just snowball and and become a

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preponderance of evidence which I think

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we're at already but like Chris said

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we're at a point now where we can

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actually start to get to the bottom of

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this in an official way without people

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kind of saying oh that's swamp gas you

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know yeah I think if you're right from a

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private point of view behind closed

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doors you'll get people coming forward

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private contractors people within the

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military who don't want to go public but

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they can share the information to allow

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that new office to carry on forward with

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the work it's doing but maybe publicly

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like you say more pilots come out like

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other David fravers and Alex Alex

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dietrich's uh Ryan Graves and so on to

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maybe have those conversations and jump

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on podcasts and set up blogs and get in

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touch with fellow Pilots you know people

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getting in touch with with Graves or

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Sean K House of the world and saying

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look how do I best go out and tell my

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story here

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um because yeah I had an event as as

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fascinating as the Tic Tac and then you

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start to hear all of a sudden you know

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we hear about the Tic Tacs raining down

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maybe that comes a month where our

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bucket Pilots raining down everywhere

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telling us all these stories and

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corroborating the data so that that

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would be my I think realistic hope as

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opposed to we're going to see a set of

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hearings live on TV like we had where

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we've got you know bobblazar standing

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testifying just to throw some names out

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there

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um but yeah so what we'll see on that

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one uh time will tell

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um I suppose actually Dan that may be a

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really good places to Hoy in quickly

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about the end of October report because

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that is kind of just over a month ago

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yeah yeah absolutely so would you uh

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second public-facing UAP report from the

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US government that will be coming

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the the yearly date is the 31st of

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October but as Bryce Sable uh rightly

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pointed out I need to know with himself

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and Ross coltas uh that falls on a

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weekend so it's likely that we're going

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to see it on the Friday before which is

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the 28th and then it kind of gets hidden

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a little bit uh but

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the interesting thing that Bryce said

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about that is that actually when that

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comes out there are a bunch of Elections

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going on and there are a bunch of people

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that we know have spoken about UAP in

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the past and have kind of put their

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reputations on the line so it'll be

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interesting to see if they pick up the

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UAP report as a talking point because

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you know I think we've said it before if

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you look at how many people have watched

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these videos online there are millions

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so this could potentially be an election

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decider issue uh but who knows if people

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are going out to vote on that you know

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there are so many other issues that are

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bigger I can see you doing the face

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I don't know right because

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it's I don't think it's uh a candidacy

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killer like it may have been in the past

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yeah I still think there's a majority of

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of normal folks you know general public

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who don't have a UFO interest that I

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think would would see a candidate

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talking about UFOs UAP the report no

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matter how well they do it and be turned

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off by that because I think it's still a

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very easy one for other people to go

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after in terms of slander and totally be

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derisely about it rightly or wrongly I

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mean wrongly obviously but I just don't

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think it's there yet in terms of

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but I think that I'm arguing with myself

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now I think there's more people who at

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least would go oh actually this this

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this guy wants to talk about UFOs that's

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pretty interesting yeah absolutely and

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they've spoken about it before like you

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say it's not a vote killer but

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it might not be the first thing on their

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mind when they're talking about this

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especially we're talking about whether

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they find air defense important you know

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the National Security of the airspace

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and that's gonna vary person to person

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but I don't think that if say for

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example if someone wasn't going to vote

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for Marco Rubio him talking about UAP

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isn't gonna make them vote for him but

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it will certainly bring the subject up

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in in the media and bigger circles uh

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more mainstream circles if people like

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Marco Rubio start talking about this

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yeah I think well you've got people

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fighting to put food on the table feed

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their children clothes themselves roofs

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over their heads and and put gas slash

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Petrol in their cars depending where you

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are

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um

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those those are always going to take

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priority and and rightly so um including

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never mind the war in Ukraine still

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going on and all that kind of stuff

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escalating so it's it's a hard one and

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we talked about this Dan um here's a

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peek behind the carton of the UAP Media

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Chat on on our group but like weekend I

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said didn't we about is there ever going

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to be a good time especially right now

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to for the UFO Topic in the UK to be

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discussed because look at covid and

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imagine in the covered everyone was

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looking forward to or when we get back

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out there and we can see each other

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again and and it just seems to be like

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that that was very short-lived and all

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of a sudden it was not that kovid's gone

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you know our friend venetious came down

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with it today

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um get Wilson Vinnie

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um but you know

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that's that's just quickly been taken

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over by a whole war and escalating gas

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and electricity prices and fuel crisis

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and Global Food problems and progress

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issues and we just went into a whole

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nother crisis and it's just like well do

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you know what and there'll be something

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else after it probably as well just just

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to check on the end there you know if

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people in Florida stay safe I've been

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seeing the footage of the hurricane

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there but that's a really good example

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of something that came from left field

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and it's just you know it's taking up

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the airwaves and it's taken up rightly

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so uh you know making sure people are

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safe yeah so yeah but yeah so on that

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one folks hopefully we get some uh some

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stuff from the report Dan what what are

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you expecting

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uh big hype big letdown I I would say

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you know keep everyone's expectations in

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check assume we're gonna get the same as

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last year I think that's a safe bet

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where they just kind of tell us the

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number of the unknowns the number have

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solved whether they're a Flight Risk

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about maybe changes to the buckets that

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00:18:50,690 --> 00:18:49,020
they've established

548
00:18:53,210 --> 00:18:50,700
um you know which was like weather and

549
00:18:54,950 --> 00:18:53,220
private contractors and U.S tech and

550
00:18:56,690 --> 00:18:54,960
things like that and we have to remember

551
00:18:59,870 --> 00:18:56,700
as well this is the first release from

552
00:19:02,750 --> 00:18:59,880
Arrow and Dr Kirkpatrick hasn't been in

553
00:19:04,250 --> 00:19:02,760
the role that long was it June July yeah

554
00:19:05,750 --> 00:19:04,260
I think so and you know we heard

555
00:19:07,789 --> 00:19:05,760
Rumblings earlier as well so it's

556
00:19:10,310 --> 00:19:07,799
possible that he he was unofficially in

557
00:19:11,930 --> 00:19:10,320
charge earlier but it's still not that

558
00:19:13,669 --> 00:19:11,940
long to put this together and he's got

559
00:19:16,490 --> 00:19:13,679
to take all the previous information and

560
00:19:19,250 --> 00:19:16,500
you know I would look to potentially the

561
00:19:21,950 --> 00:19:19,260
2023 report as a better example of what

562
00:19:24,669 --> 00:19:21,960
he's capable of this one as I said it

563
00:19:26,930 --> 00:19:24,679
will be a very basic by the Numbers

564
00:19:28,909 --> 00:19:26,940
these are the amount of sightings we've

565
00:19:33,049 --> 00:19:28,919
had these are the unknowns what I'd

566
00:19:34,450 --> 00:19:33,059
really love to see is an emphasis on you

567
00:19:37,010 --> 00:19:34,460
know the legislation has been

568
00:19:38,990 --> 00:19:37,020
emphasizing that if anything is found to

569
00:19:40,130 --> 00:19:39,000
be a man-made craft throw away like

570
00:19:41,390 --> 00:19:40,140
we're not interested in that data

571
00:19:44,690 --> 00:19:41,400
they're clearly interested in the more

572
00:19:46,549 --> 00:19:44,700
an anomalous crafts and events

573
00:19:49,130 --> 00:19:46,559
I would like to see a deeper dive into

574
00:19:50,450 --> 00:19:49,140
those anomalous happenings I know that

575
00:19:51,890 --> 00:19:50,460
they're not allowed to share those

576
00:19:53,690 --> 00:19:51,900
videos and things and we'll talk about

577
00:19:55,310 --> 00:19:53,700
that but

578
00:19:56,510 --> 00:19:55,320
there are still certain things they can

579
00:19:59,210 --> 00:19:56,520
tell us

580
00:20:01,549 --> 00:19:59,220
you know for example hey we've found

581
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:01,559
five events in the last year of craft

582
00:20:07,430 --> 00:20:04,320
the exhibit four or more of the five

583
00:20:10,270 --> 00:20:07,440
observables and we're looking into it

584
00:20:13,970 --> 00:20:10,280
okay uh final question yes or no answer

585
00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:13,980
uh with a little bit of context that the

586
00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:16,080
previous reports were hampered and the

587
00:20:21,049 --> 00:20:18,720
efforts from the task force By changes

588
00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:21,059
at the top and changes of leadership and

589
00:20:24,409 --> 00:20:22,320
some would say that was deliberate

590
00:20:25,130 --> 00:20:24,419
obfuscation of the work that was going

591
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:25,140
on

592
00:20:29,690 --> 00:20:27,840
Dr Sean Kirkpatrick is and they are

593
00:20:31,490 --> 00:20:29,700
unofficially are not for for the best

594
00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:31,500
partner of maybe six months let's say

595
00:20:35,870 --> 00:20:33,600
probably less than that in an official

596
00:20:38,510 --> 00:20:35,880
capacity would you be surprised yes or

597
00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:38,520
no if before the next report came out he

598
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:39,840
was no longer in charge and someone else

599
00:20:43,970 --> 00:20:42,240
was I wouldn't be surprised now that's

600
00:20:46,610 --> 00:20:43,980
yeah okay that's kind of been my problem

601
00:20:48,409 --> 00:20:46,620
so far right yeah exactly I always do

602
00:20:49,970 --> 00:20:48,419
this when you say yes yeah that would be

603
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:49,980
frustrating but yeah I wouldn't be

604
00:20:54,110 --> 00:20:52,320
shocked either but listen let's move on

605
00:20:55,490 --> 00:20:54,120
um a bit of an update this week and

606
00:20:57,650 --> 00:20:55,500
what's kind of taken up a lot of the

607
00:20:59,750 --> 00:20:57,660
time if you are fortunate enough to to

608
00:21:01,850 --> 00:20:59,760
not be on social media God bless you

609
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:01,860
because it's a wild and weird place at

610
00:21:05,870 --> 00:21:04,080
the best of times but what's taking up

611
00:21:08,990 --> 00:21:05,880
all the conversation in the last week

612
00:21:10,850 --> 00:21:09,000
was a j over at Project Unity

613
00:21:13,490 --> 00:21:10,860
um who's been on the podcast before uh

614
00:21:15,409 --> 00:21:13,500
does it's based in the UK and does some

615
00:21:17,090 --> 00:21:15,419
some great interviews over on his

616
00:21:18,650 --> 00:21:17,100
channel too probably very different to

617
00:21:20,990 --> 00:21:18,660
what what I do in terms of interviews

618
00:21:22,669 --> 00:21:21,000
and even the guest that he gets on the

619
00:21:24,169 --> 00:21:22,679
guests that you get on are very

620
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:24,179
different too at times

621
00:21:31,250 --> 00:21:28,080
um but he had Shannon who was one of the

622
00:21:34,610 --> 00:21:31,260
names on the Eric Wilson at Wilson Davis

623
00:21:36,890 --> 00:21:34,620
memo and essentially to be fair Dynamite

624
00:21:39,529 --> 00:21:36,900
insane he wasn't actually a big part of

625
00:21:42,350 --> 00:21:39,539
the memo all he was cited as being was

626
00:21:44,090 --> 00:21:42,360
the man who Admiral Wilson apparently

627
00:21:45,950 --> 00:21:44,100
went to to say look this Eric Davis

628
00:21:48,529 --> 00:21:45,960
fellow can you vouch for him what's his

629
00:21:50,510 --> 00:21:48,539
background watch his credentials Shannon

630
00:21:52,490 --> 00:21:50,520
basically said yeah Eric Davis is a guy

631
00:21:53,690 --> 00:21:52,500
you should be talking to and off the

632
00:21:55,730 --> 00:21:53,700
back of that

633
00:21:58,430 --> 00:21:55,740
the whole conversation happened that is

634
00:21:59,690 --> 00:21:58,440
now allegedly in the the Wilson Davis

635
00:22:00,730 --> 00:21:59,700
memo

636
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:00,740
um

637
00:22:04,669 --> 00:22:03,120
the auction interview has been

638
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:04,679
controversial for a few reasons because

639
00:22:09,890 --> 00:22:06,240
one has never really come out in public

640
00:22:12,049 --> 00:22:09,900
but uh Jay managed to get the

641
00:22:14,570 --> 00:22:12,059
the interview sorted out and what I'm

642
00:22:16,250 --> 00:22:14,580
going to do now Dan is throw to that

643
00:22:18,649 --> 00:22:16,260
interview with Jay it's about 20 minutes

644
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:18,659
long we'll paste that in here folks and

645
00:22:22,490 --> 00:22:20,640
then with the magic of technology in a

646
00:22:24,649 --> 00:22:22,500
couple of seconds Dan and I will be back

647
00:22:26,990 --> 00:22:24,659
to discuss it but Jason best place to

648
00:22:29,210 --> 00:22:27,000
connect yeah oh don't fade out yet don't

649
00:22:30,409 --> 00:22:29,220
feed out yet Jay is in the best place to

650
00:22:31,730 --> 00:22:30,419
discuss the interview and how it came

651
00:22:32,990 --> 00:22:31,740
about and all the background around it

652
00:22:34,909 --> 00:22:33,000
as well rather than us going through

653
00:22:37,010 --> 00:22:34,919
that so here's a Jay from Project Unity

654
00:22:39,649 --> 00:22:37,020
with myself joining me now on the

655
00:22:41,390 --> 00:22:39,659
breakdown is Jay from Project Unity Jay

656
00:22:43,130 --> 00:22:41,400
welcome back to the podcast

657
00:22:45,289 --> 00:22:43,140
thanks for having me on Andy I think the

658
00:22:46,970 --> 00:22:45,299
last time we spoke was when at least on

659
00:22:49,130 --> 00:22:46,980
the record was when we did the New York

660
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:49,140
Times thing like literally what like a

661
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:51,120
year and a half ago it was it seems like

662
00:22:54,770 --> 00:22:53,039
a lifetime ago doesn't it uh and how

663
00:22:56,690 --> 00:22:54,780
times change but the more they change I

664
00:22:59,570 --> 00:22:56,700
think the more they stay the same

665
00:23:01,610 --> 00:22:59,580
um lesson Jay uh you're uh away just now

666
00:23:02,990 --> 00:23:01,620
you're out of country and folks mean all

667
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:03,000
that may not know that so I wouldn't

668
00:23:05,690 --> 00:23:04,320
take up too much of your time because

669
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:05,700
you'll want to go away and enjoy

670
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:07,919
yourself as well uh but you have just

671
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:10,080
released an interview with Oak Shannon

672
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:12,720
on the Project Unity YouTube channel I'm

673
00:23:16,370 --> 00:23:14,640
going to caveat this by saying folks

674
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:16,380
this is not a full rundown of that

675
00:23:20,510 --> 00:23:18,240
interview go and watch the interview if

676
00:23:22,430 --> 00:23:20,520
you haven't already on the Project Unity

677
00:23:24,169 --> 00:23:22,440
YouTube channel and make sure you check

678
00:23:26,750 --> 00:23:24,179
that one out it's less than an hour of

679
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,760
your time but with so much focus on the

680
00:23:30,770 --> 00:23:28,799
Wilson Davis memo documents recently

681
00:23:32,450 --> 00:23:30,780
it's added a lot of fuel to that

682
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:32,460
particular fire some of it I'm sure you

683
00:23:36,890 --> 00:23:34,559
would expecting maybe some of it not so

684
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:36,900
much but we'll we'll go over that um

685
00:23:40,850 --> 00:23:38,880
just a very quick rundown of folks I

686
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:40,860
haven't seen that yet Jay who is Oak

687
00:23:45,890 --> 00:23:41,840
Shannon

688
00:23:47,630 --> 00:23:45,900
well auction is a U.S Navy veteran uh

689
00:23:50,090 --> 00:23:47,640
U.S Navy officer

690
00:23:52,490 --> 00:23:50,100
um who during his time within his

691
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:52,500
military career ended up becoming uh

692
00:23:57,049 --> 00:23:54,480
he's also a nuclear physicist he ended

693
00:23:59,210 --> 00:23:57,059
up becoming the special project manager

694
00:24:01,370 --> 00:23:59,220
for Los Alamos National Labs which a lot

695
00:24:03,950 --> 00:24:01,380
of us know is pretty high up on the list

696
00:24:06,590 --> 00:24:03,960
of potential research facilities that

697
00:24:08,270 --> 00:24:06,600
may be holding on to materials or at the

698
00:24:09,890 --> 00:24:08,280
very least we're studying the phenomenon

699
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:09,900
in some way

700
00:24:14,930 --> 00:24:12,480
um so he he went from the you know the

701
00:24:17,570 --> 00:24:14,940
U.S Navy career into this uh you know

702
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:17,580
research facility career as a physicist

703
00:24:23,090 --> 00:24:21,120
and he had a lot of exposure to a lot of

704
00:24:25,250 --> 00:24:23,100
the main players that we look at as

705
00:24:28,490 --> 00:24:25,260
people in the know uh people who have

706
00:24:31,610 --> 00:24:28,500
knowledge to my understanding uh Oak was

707
00:24:33,470 --> 00:24:31,620
never read in to UFO programs or

708
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:33,480
anything of that nature but he knows

709
00:24:37,610 --> 00:24:36,240
pretty much everyone who we believe was

710
00:24:38,990 --> 00:24:37,620
read in or has you know close

711
00:24:41,270 --> 00:24:39,000
connections with people that were

712
00:24:43,789 --> 00:24:41,280
involved in that kind of work so it just

713
00:24:45,289 --> 00:24:43,799
that alone makes him a very interesting

714
00:24:48,409 --> 00:24:45,299
and important person to try and get on

715
00:24:50,810 --> 00:24:48,419
the record but aside from that as many

716
00:24:52,909 --> 00:24:50,820
people will know his name is mentioned

717
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:52,919
in this very controversial release of

718
00:24:58,130 --> 00:24:54,960
papers the Admiral Wilson leaks or the

719
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:58,140
Eric Davis notes and uh

720
00:25:03,289 --> 00:25:01,200
what's interesting about Oak is the fact

721
00:25:06,110 --> 00:25:03,299
that there are a series of statements

722
00:25:09,070 --> 00:25:06,120
allegedly made by you know Eric and

723
00:25:11,450 --> 00:25:09,080
Admiral Wilson regarding Oak Shannon

724
00:25:13,250 --> 00:25:11,460
regarding his level of communication

725
00:25:16,250 --> 00:25:13,260
with the Admiral his knowledge of who

726
00:25:18,409 --> 00:25:16,260
Eric Davis is even down to him having

727
00:25:19,970 --> 00:25:18,419
health issues that prevented him from

728
00:25:22,610 --> 00:25:19,980
being easy to contact when they were

729
00:25:24,110 --> 00:25:22,620
having this supposed meeting so I think

730
00:25:27,049 --> 00:25:24,120
what's really important about Oak

731
00:25:29,630 --> 00:25:27,059
Shannon is that he at least represents

732
00:25:32,529 --> 00:25:29,640
another Link in that chain uh connecting

733
00:25:37,310 --> 00:25:32,539
this string of the Admiral Wilson Saga

734
00:25:40,130 --> 00:25:37,320
and he was gracious enough to come on do

735
00:25:42,590 --> 00:25:40,140
an interview and acknowledge at least

736
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:42,600
what he knows to be true which is his

737
00:25:46,970 --> 00:25:45,120
own involvement the statements made

738
00:25:48,890 --> 00:25:46,980
about him in these documents he

739
00:25:50,210 --> 00:25:48,900
confirmed all of that to be true so I

740
00:25:52,970 --> 00:25:50,220
don't know if you want me to quickly say

741
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:52,980
but basically to give people a quick

742
00:25:57,529 --> 00:25:54,960
bullet point he said he knows Eric Davis

743
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:57,539
he said he knows Admiral Wilson which of

744
00:26:00,649 --> 00:25:59,039
course contradicts it's what Admiral

745
00:26:03,289 --> 00:26:00,659
Wilson said people will know about the

746
00:26:05,930 --> 00:26:03,299
uh now uh famous quote that probably

747
00:26:08,029 --> 00:26:05,940
won't age very well Oak who you know

748
00:26:10,190 --> 00:26:08,039
that's Admiral Wilson's response Oak who

749
00:26:12,169 --> 00:26:10,200
uh which he found quite funny oak

750
00:26:13,789 --> 00:26:12,179
Shannon found that quite amusing

751
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:13,799
um but essentially he confirmed he knows

752
00:26:17,570 --> 00:26:16,080
Eric he knows the Admiral uh he did have

753
00:26:19,610 --> 00:26:17,580
a long phone conversation with the

754
00:26:22,250 --> 00:26:19,620
Admiral who was phoning up to Gage the

755
00:26:24,830 --> 00:26:22,260
trustworthiness of Eric Davis and he did

756
00:26:27,409 --> 00:26:24,840
confirm that he had a very severe heart

757
00:26:28,850 --> 00:26:27,419
attack which actually we get into in our

758
00:26:31,250 --> 00:26:28,860
discussion because he had a near-death

759
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:31,260
experience during that time but he was

760
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:34,080
Gravely unwell and was not easy to get

761
00:26:40,610 --> 00:26:36,480
hold of and all of this is mentioned in

762
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,620
the notes so although he never confirmed

763
00:26:44,210 --> 00:26:42,480
yeah yes these notes are authentic or

764
00:26:45,890 --> 00:26:44,220
yes the meeting happened I never expect

765
00:26:48,049 --> 00:26:45,900
him to do that you know I didn't come

766
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:48,059
into that with that intention because he

767
00:26:51,950 --> 00:26:49,440
can't confirm something he wasn't

768
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:51,960
directly there to to acknowledge and

769
00:26:56,510 --> 00:26:54,000
know his fact the only thing he gave us

770
00:26:58,330 --> 00:26:56,520
is the truth is he knows it and the

771
00:27:01,250 --> 00:26:58,340
truth is he knows it certainly

772
00:27:02,990 --> 00:27:01,260
authenticates parts of that document

773
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:03,000
um because the you know what was said

774
00:27:07,130 --> 00:27:05,039
about him is true

775
00:27:09,950 --> 00:27:07,140
well it certainly seems more obvious

776
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:09,960
that either Eric Davis Oak Shannon and

777
00:27:14,750 --> 00:27:11,640
others are lying about the document's

778
00:27:17,090 --> 00:27:14,760
authenticity or Admiral Wilson is

779
00:27:18,590 --> 00:27:17,100
staying steadfast in his denial that it

780
00:27:20,570 --> 00:27:18,600
ever happened and you've got to be

781
00:27:22,610 --> 00:27:20,580
respectful that you can see why he would

782
00:27:24,529 --> 00:27:22,620
deny this constantly

783
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,539
um I know which one I believe is more

784
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:26,880
likely what about yourself oh

785
00:27:32,390 --> 00:27:29,279
unequivocally that the meeting in the

786
00:27:34,669 --> 00:27:32,400
the documents are are accurate and true

787
00:27:36,590 --> 00:27:34,679
um it's like you said no surprise that

788
00:27:38,510 --> 00:27:36,600
Admiral Wilson would deny all

789
00:27:39,890 --> 00:27:38,520
involvement I mean I understand that

790
00:27:41,690 --> 00:27:39,900
we're taking this from the notes that

791
00:27:44,390 --> 00:27:41,700
are still in question in regards to

792
00:27:47,930 --> 00:27:44,400
their authenticity but he said very

793
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:47,940
explicitly to Eric allegedly I will deny

794
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:49,919
everything all involvement any of this

795
00:27:56,750 --> 00:27:52,320
all of it and that's exactly what he did

796
00:27:58,909 --> 00:27:56,760
but Oak Shannon he's not active in the

797
00:28:01,370 --> 00:27:58,919
UFO world not even like Gary Davis who's

798
00:28:04,370 --> 00:28:01,380
been on interviews you know this guy he

799
00:28:06,769 --> 00:28:04,380
retired from his Navy career he's now

800
00:28:09,049 --> 00:28:06,779
you know an Evangelical Christian he's

801
00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:09,059
he came into that Faith later in his

802
00:28:14,450 --> 00:28:11,700
life he just wants a quiet life away

803
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:14,460
from all of this and he didn't have to

804
00:28:17,690 --> 00:28:16,080
speak to me we were very fortunate that

805
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:17,700
he decided to speak to me but this isn't

806
00:28:21,710 --> 00:28:19,919
someone that wants to be seen as a

807
00:28:23,690 --> 00:28:21,720
figure and of some of some level of

808
00:28:26,390 --> 00:28:23,700
importance he he really doesn't need

809
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:26,400
that so I I find him very sincere and

810
00:28:29,330 --> 00:28:27,600
very credible

811
00:28:31,070 --> 00:28:29,340
um so when he sits there and he tells me

812
00:28:32,390 --> 00:28:31,080
that you know yes he did speak to the

813
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:32,400
Admiral and yes he did have a heart

814
00:28:37,310 --> 00:28:35,279
attack which Linda his wife confirmed

815
00:28:39,649 --> 00:28:37,320
doesn't seem to me like he's making

816
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:39,659
these things up why would you um he has

817
00:28:43,070 --> 00:28:41,520
nothing to gain from making this up he

818
00:28:45,230 --> 00:28:43,080
has nothing to gain from even coming on

819
00:28:46,430 --> 00:28:45,240
the record he's got more to lose than to

820
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,440
gain

821
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,720
um and it certainly you know took us

822
00:28:53,210 --> 00:28:50,880
putting him at ease and making him feel

823
00:28:56,090 --> 00:28:53,220
comfortable with us to uh to engage on

824
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:56,100
that so I I think you know I already

825
00:29:00,769 --> 00:28:58,559
felt very secure in my belief that these

826
00:29:02,990 --> 00:29:00,779
are legitimate notes so the oak Shannon

827
00:29:04,610 --> 00:29:03,000
situation has just pushed that meter

828
00:29:06,529 --> 00:29:04,620
even further forward

829
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:06,539
um obviously I understand that people

830
00:29:11,630 --> 00:29:09,120
don't like to speak in definitives and I

831
00:29:14,330 --> 00:29:11,640
don't like to either but

832
00:29:17,570 --> 00:29:14,340
the annoying thing about this situation

833
00:29:19,130 --> 00:29:17,580
is people who are directly involved I'm

834
00:29:20,450 --> 00:29:19,140
not going to say a name but I think

835
00:29:22,490 --> 00:29:20,460
people can understand what I'm saying

836
00:29:24,289 --> 00:29:22,500
here at least one individual in that

837
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:24,299
scenario between Admiral Wilson and Eric

838
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:26,159
Davis has acknowledged this off the

839
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:28,559
Record not publicly and I know that that

840
00:29:32,090 --> 00:29:30,000
sucks because we want to have that

841
00:29:33,710 --> 00:29:32,100
public acknowledgment but for me it's

842
00:29:35,149 --> 00:29:33,720
just kind of like look guys Connect the

843
00:29:37,130 --> 00:29:35,159
Dots here like you know they're not

844
00:29:38,750 --> 00:29:37,140
denying it like Eric Davis has never

845
00:29:40,430 --> 00:29:38,760
denied it he's put out some very strange

846
00:29:42,350 --> 00:29:40,440
statements like the Stephen Green Street

847
00:29:44,529 --> 00:29:42,360
interview where he talked about how

848
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:44,539
Obama had like updated the security

849
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:46,320
classifications and that there were

850
00:29:51,289 --> 00:29:49,679
risks involved it it's it's about I

851
00:29:52,850 --> 00:29:51,299
suppose in some way reading between the

852
00:29:54,769 --> 00:29:52,860
lines but I feel that the dots are

853
00:29:56,210 --> 00:29:54,779
pretty easy to connect here when you

854
00:29:58,010 --> 00:29:56,220
look at the wide scope of this whole

855
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:58,020
situation and just kind of piece

856
00:30:00,889 --> 00:29:59,039
together all of these different

857
00:30:02,810 --> 00:30:00,899
statements from different players and

858
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:02,820
now we have uh you know a new player

859
00:30:07,130 --> 00:30:04,320
who's given us statements that can be

860
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:07,140
validated and authenticated so yeah I'm

861
00:30:11,570 --> 00:30:09,840
I'm pretty secure in the idea that these

862
00:30:13,310 --> 00:30:11,580
are real

863
00:30:15,769 --> 00:30:13,320
yeah the way I see it I've talked before

864
00:30:19,070 --> 00:30:15,779
about a jigsaw puzzle and if the Admiral

865
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:19,080
Wilson Davis memo is is a puzzle in

866
00:30:23,149 --> 00:30:20,880
itself it's got a lot of missing pieces

867
00:30:25,070 --> 00:30:23,159
but this is one of those big pieces for

868
00:30:27,049 --> 00:30:25,080
me that's now fit in to see well yeah we

869
00:30:29,090 --> 00:30:27,059
can kind of make out the picture now but

870
00:30:31,010 --> 00:30:29,100
there's still some more to go before we

871
00:30:32,930 --> 00:30:31,020
look at the Fallout Jay how did the

872
00:30:35,630 --> 00:30:32,940
interview come about because like you

873
00:30:38,029 --> 00:30:35,640
say this is a character who wasn't in

874
00:30:40,010 --> 00:30:38,039
the in the conversation as such other

875
00:30:42,529 --> 00:30:40,020
than his name on some paper he wasn't

876
00:30:44,090 --> 00:30:42,539
looking for this conversation with all

877
00:30:45,950 --> 00:30:44,100
due respect and I can say this from a

878
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:45,960
place of being similar to yourself he's

879
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,000
not jumped on Joe Rogan to have this

880
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:50,399
chat you know he's gone to yourself so

881
00:30:55,250 --> 00:30:53,279
it's a very specific way of getting this

882
00:30:57,470 --> 00:30:55,260
out and obviously you want to protect

883
00:30:59,570 --> 00:30:57,480
Source season and such as well I respect

884
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:59,580
that how did this come about as best you

885
00:31:02,810 --> 00:31:00,960
can tell us

886
00:31:04,850 --> 00:31:02,820
yeah well I mean I've been I've been

887
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:04,860
pretty fortunate during my time in this

888
00:31:09,049 --> 00:31:07,200
research field and especially over uh

889
00:31:11,330 --> 00:31:09,059
this last year I've secured some very

890
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:11,340
good contacts both former and active

891
00:31:15,529 --> 00:31:13,919
within uh the intelligence community and

892
00:31:17,450 --> 00:31:15,539
I mean you know how it goes and the when

893
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:17,460
you secure a good contact you also

894
00:31:21,710 --> 00:31:19,200
secure access to their wider Network

895
00:31:23,570 --> 00:31:21,720
which means your network grows with them

896
00:31:25,730 --> 00:31:23,580
so I have people that I can reach out to

897
00:31:27,409 --> 00:31:25,740
who can reach into the intelligence

898
00:31:29,570 --> 00:31:27,419
Community networks that they're a part

899
00:31:31,850 --> 00:31:29,580
of to ask on my behalf you know if this

900
00:31:33,889 --> 00:31:31,860
person or that person would want to

901
00:31:36,350 --> 00:31:33,899
engage with me and sometimes it's a no

902
00:31:39,230 --> 00:31:36,360
and sometimes it's a yes and when it

903
00:31:40,909 --> 00:31:39,240
came to Oak Shannon it was a yes you

904
00:31:43,610 --> 00:31:40,919
know they invited me to have lunch with

905
00:31:45,409 --> 00:31:43,620
them and I was fortunate enough to get

906
00:31:47,510 --> 00:31:45,419
some assistance in relation to flight

907
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:47,520
travel accommodation costs otherwise I

908
00:31:51,710 --> 00:31:49,440
wouldn't have been able to uh pull this

909
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:51,720
off to be honest uh I was I was met at

910
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,240
the airport by a contact of mine who's a

911
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:56,640
retired intelligence officer uh this

912
00:32:02,389 --> 00:31:58,799
individual drove me to a place uh where

913
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:02,399
I was meeting Oak and his wife Linda and

914
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:03,840
this person joined us in the

915
00:32:07,789 --> 00:32:05,760
conversation I think it helps to have

916
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:07,799
someone with a similar background to Oak

917
00:32:12,289 --> 00:32:10,559
it sets him at ease I think it's

918
00:32:13,970 --> 00:32:12,299
probably what got me through the cracks

919
00:32:16,190 --> 00:32:13,980
in the first place because

920
00:32:18,350 --> 00:32:16,200
uh like we said Oak doesn't make himself

921
00:32:20,810 --> 00:32:18,360
publicly available to to just anyone

922
00:32:22,850 --> 00:32:20,820
he's he doesn't want to be in the

923
00:32:25,070 --> 00:32:22,860
Forefront of all of this

924
00:32:26,810 --> 00:32:25,080
um so having an Intel guy uh with me

925
00:32:29,330 --> 00:32:26,820
made Oak feel like this would be handled

926
00:32:31,610 --> 00:32:29,340
professionally which it was and they

927
00:32:33,409 --> 00:32:31,620
really enjoyed meeting us uh and vice

928
00:32:35,470 --> 00:32:33,419
versa I had a lovely time we had a great

929
00:32:37,970 --> 00:32:35,480
lunch we we talked for about three hours

930
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:37,980
and uh and it was during this talk that

931
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:39,600
the idea of an interview was brought up

932
00:32:43,789 --> 00:32:42,000
and uh and subsequently agreed upon uh

933
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:43,799
you know they really are they really are

934
00:32:47,930 --> 00:32:45,840
lovely people good-natured people and

935
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:47,940
I'm incredibly grateful for the

936
00:32:53,570 --> 00:32:50,159
opportunity that they've given me and uh

937
00:32:56,029 --> 00:32:53,580
for the continued friendship we now have

938
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:56,039
so as we Decor desk it's the 27th of

939
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:57,600
September the interview came out a

940
00:33:01,310 --> 00:32:59,039
couple of days prior

941
00:33:03,710 --> 00:33:01,320
since then there's been a little bit of

942
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:03,720
you know we stay away from the drama gee

943
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:05,039
you tend to stay away from the drama on

944
00:33:09,230 --> 00:33:06,240
your channel it's not that type of

945
00:33:10,850 --> 00:33:09,240
YouTube show and I hate the word show a

946
00:33:12,350 --> 00:33:10,860
podcast whatever you want to call it

947
00:33:14,450 --> 00:33:12,360
blog everyone's got different names for

948
00:33:15,649 --> 00:33:14,460
these things don't you but it is what it

949
00:33:17,149 --> 00:33:15,659
is and it puts out really good

950
00:33:19,610 --> 00:33:17,159
information with some very high level

951
00:33:21,950 --> 00:33:19,620
people that others can't get access to

952
00:33:25,009 --> 00:33:21,960
Grant Cameron is a big name when it

953
00:33:28,210 --> 00:33:25,019
comes to the Wilson Davis memo Grant has

954
00:33:31,549 --> 00:33:28,220
been keeping back a set of notes from

955
00:33:33,710 --> 00:33:31,559
uh from Oak Shannon that were to be

956
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:33,720
released when Oak passed

957
00:33:37,370 --> 00:33:36,000
Grant Cameron from what I can see and

958
00:33:38,810 --> 00:33:37,380
you can correct me if I'm wrong in any

959
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:38,820
of this I've watched Grant's piece and

960
00:33:42,909 --> 00:33:41,279
I've looked online Grant saw that Oak

961
00:33:45,470 --> 00:33:42,919
had come forward through yourself

962
00:33:47,090 --> 00:33:45,480
decided that well the the notes don't

963
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:47,100
have to be held back anymore because Ox

964
00:33:52,009 --> 00:33:49,440
came forward he contacted Oak

965
00:33:54,350 --> 00:33:52,019
Oak said it looked like that was okay

966
00:33:57,470 --> 00:33:54,360
for him to release the notes Grant was

967
00:33:59,690 --> 00:33:57,480
due to go live with Nicole sakach on her

968
00:34:01,549 --> 00:33:59,700
YouTube show and they basically started

969
00:34:02,990 --> 00:34:01,559
the show and there was some online back

970
00:34:05,570 --> 00:34:03,000
and forward saying basically Project

971
00:34:07,370 --> 00:34:05,580
Unity has has blocked this release you

972
00:34:09,649 --> 00:34:07,380
said you denied this again this is all

973
00:34:13,550 --> 00:34:09,659
factual no drama here but from your

974
00:34:15,050 --> 00:34:13,560
perspective Jay what happened that those

975
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:15,060
notes weren't allowed to be released

976
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:16,800
through a grant

977
00:34:19,849 --> 00:34:18,000
yeah

978
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:19,859
um first of all look ground Cameron's

979
00:34:23,389 --> 00:34:21,359
great I've got a lot of respect for him

980
00:34:26,270 --> 00:34:23,399
he's been in this field for a long time

981
00:34:28,190 --> 00:34:26,280
and he's done incredible work so you

982
00:34:29,570 --> 00:34:28,200
know nothing against Grant Cameron but

983
00:34:31,010 --> 00:34:29,580
and I don't want to start a drama like

984
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:31,020
you said that's not my style it's not

985
00:34:34,430 --> 00:34:32,639
your style

986
00:34:36,889 --> 00:34:34,440
um but I should just be clear about my

987
00:34:39,230 --> 00:34:36,899
position on this so what I will say is I

988
00:34:41,570 --> 00:34:39,240
flew to Florida I met Oak Shannon and

989
00:34:43,070 --> 00:34:41,580
his wife Linda I spent time with them we

990
00:34:44,750 --> 00:34:43,080
had lunch together we talked for hours

991
00:34:47,869 --> 00:34:44,760
like I said they're lovely people

992
00:34:49,490 --> 00:34:47,879
good-natured kind-hearted people Linda's

993
00:34:50,750 --> 00:34:49,500
primary concern is the well-being of her

994
00:34:52,609 --> 00:34:50,760
husband

995
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:52,619
um and since they're both gracious

996
00:34:57,050 --> 00:34:54,960
enough to not only meet me but to also

997
00:34:58,970 --> 00:34:57,060
agree to do an interview my primary

998
00:35:00,770 --> 00:34:58,980
concern is the safeguarding and the

999
00:35:02,690 --> 00:35:00,780
overall well-being of Oak and his family

1000
00:35:05,810 --> 00:35:02,700
uh you know people need to understand

1001
00:35:08,030 --> 00:35:05,820
that this wasn't easy and

1002
00:35:09,770 --> 00:35:08,040
you know Oak doesn't just open his doors

1003
00:35:13,370 --> 00:35:09,780
to anyone I've got nothing but respect

1004
00:35:14,810 --> 00:35:13,380
for him all I did was contact Oak to

1005
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:14,820
make sure he was comfortable with what

1006
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:17,040
was about to be uh what was about to be

1007
00:35:20,569 --> 00:35:18,960
released what was about to happen now

1008
00:35:22,910 --> 00:35:20,579
some people are saying what has it got

1009
00:35:24,829 --> 00:35:22,920
to do with me well those people

1010
00:35:26,450 --> 00:35:24,839
obviously haven't cultivated sources

1011
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:26,460
with sensitive information because they

1012
00:35:31,550 --> 00:35:28,800
seem to think I should stop caring about

1013
00:35:33,050 --> 00:35:31,560
my sources well-being if someone else is

1014
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:33,060
planning to reveal information about

1015
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:35,520
them which is ridiculous because my

1016
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:37,200
concern for Oak's well-being doesn't end

1017
00:35:41,390 --> 00:35:39,119
with my direct interaction with him it

1018
00:35:43,010 --> 00:35:41,400
continues as a sense of obligation to a

1019
00:35:45,530 --> 00:35:43,020
man who was quite happy leaving all of

1020
00:35:49,550 --> 00:35:45,540
this behind him seeing him get dragged

1021
00:35:52,670 --> 00:35:49,560
into things online is upsetting and um

1022
00:35:54,530 --> 00:35:52,680
you know when people are

1023
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:54,540
when people who are supposed to be

1024
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:56,640
experienced in handling sources and

1025
00:36:02,569 --> 00:35:59,520
sensitive information decide to hastily

1026
00:36:05,450 --> 00:36:02,579
post a bunch of documents online that

1027
00:36:06,890 --> 00:36:05,460
guys contained unredacted Social

1028
00:36:08,690 --> 00:36:06,900
Security numbers

1029
00:36:10,010 --> 00:36:08,700
you know perhaps people can see why I

1030
00:36:12,589 --> 00:36:10,020
was concerned this type of information

1031
00:36:14,510 --> 00:36:12,599
should have been washed out it's it's a

1032
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:14,520
major privacy breach and this was the

1033
00:36:19,069 --> 00:36:16,560
kind of thing I wanted to avoid with

1034
00:36:21,290 --> 00:36:19,079
clear communication now lastly Oak

1035
00:36:23,210 --> 00:36:21,300
Shannon did turn around and say that he

1036
00:36:24,770 --> 00:36:23,220
wants this to go through my channel and

1037
00:36:26,690 --> 00:36:24,780
this has given people some impression

1038
00:36:28,670 --> 00:36:26,700
that I was like pressuring oak or

1039
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:28,680
telling him it should only be released

1040
00:36:34,490 --> 00:36:30,960
through me this isn't true the truth is

1041
00:36:36,290 --> 00:36:34,500
the oak trusts me oak likes me oak

1042
00:36:38,089 --> 00:36:36,300
understands that I was the one who took

1043
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:38,099
the time to fly over to his home to sit

1044
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:40,320
with him and his wife he respects me and

1045
00:36:44,810 --> 00:36:42,720
so he decided on his own that he would

1046
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:44,820
prefer this to go through me now I'll be

1047
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:46,320
the first to admit I've made plenty of

1048
00:36:49,370 --> 00:36:47,760
mistakes during my time in this field

1049
00:36:51,290 --> 00:36:49,380
but this situation isn't one of them

1050
00:36:53,930 --> 00:36:51,300
I've got nothing to apologize for my

1051
00:36:55,550 --> 00:36:53,940
sole concern is and always will be the

1052
00:36:56,930 --> 00:36:55,560
safeguarding of my sources and making

1053
00:36:58,970 --> 00:36:56,940
sure they're comfortable and feel safe

1054
00:37:01,250 --> 00:36:58,980
I've got nothing but respect for Grant

1055
00:37:04,490 --> 00:37:01,260
Cameron I don't know who it was that

1056
00:37:06,349 --> 00:37:04,500
posted them up originally unredacted

1057
00:37:07,970 --> 00:37:06,359
but it was a part of that Network you

1058
00:37:09,530 --> 00:37:07,980
know these they they needed to have done

1059
00:37:11,930 --> 00:37:09,540
more due diligence on that it wasn't

1060
00:37:15,410 --> 00:37:11,940
fair for that to go out without Oak

1061
00:37:17,810 --> 00:37:15,420
giving it the full okay and I I think

1062
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:17,820
what happened was

1063
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:19,680
he had originally said yeah you can do

1064
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:21,359
that just make sure you wash out any

1065
00:37:25,849 --> 00:37:24,000
sort of uh you know sensitive details

1066
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:25,859
yeah I didn't know he had said that at

1067
00:37:29,150 --> 00:37:27,599
that point so I just sent an email to

1068
00:37:30,770 --> 00:37:29,160
Oak saying hey are you comfortable with

1069
00:37:32,510 --> 00:37:30,780
the fact that this is happening and I

1070
00:37:34,190 --> 00:37:32,520
tried to contact Grant Cameron but he

1071
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:34,200
hasn't got back to me just want to make

1072
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:36,000
sure you're cool with it basically and

1073
00:37:39,170 --> 00:37:37,440
that's when he responded saying well Jay

1074
00:37:39,950 --> 00:37:39,180
I'm actually not that comfortable with

1075
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:39,960
it

1076
00:37:44,210 --> 00:37:42,240
um and I was just like okay but then

1077
00:37:48,770 --> 00:37:44,220
suddenly they went up they went up and

1078
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:48,780
they were unredacted and you know I

1079
00:37:52,250 --> 00:37:50,160
don't know what the laws are in Canada

1080
00:37:54,109 --> 00:37:52,260
but I'm pretty sure in the EU posting

1081
00:37:56,329 --> 00:37:54,119
Social Security numbers is actually a

1082
00:37:58,190 --> 00:37:56,339
breach of the law I'm not 100 but it's

1083
00:38:00,109 --> 00:37:58,200
certainly a massive breach of privacy

1084
00:38:01,970 --> 00:38:00,119
and it shouldn't have happened

1085
00:38:04,849 --> 00:38:01,980
um of course I'm not blocking anything

1086
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:04,859
for I mean first of all I have no power

1087
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:06,480
to block anything anyway like they had

1088
00:38:09,710 --> 00:38:07,680
the notes they were going to do it

1089
00:38:11,810 --> 00:38:09,720
anyway regardless of what I have to say

1090
00:38:14,690 --> 00:38:11,820
they were going to post them so I I

1091
00:38:16,609 --> 00:38:14,700
don't see why it would be put onto my

1092
00:38:18,770 --> 00:38:16,619
shoulders as OJ's trying to block this

1093
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:18,780
and why would I want to block anything

1094
00:38:21,710 --> 00:38:20,160
that's coming out to push full

1095
00:38:23,630 --> 00:38:21,720
disclosure I mean I'm in this with you

1096
00:38:25,609 --> 00:38:23,640
guys we want the truth to come out but

1097
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:25,619
you've got to do it sensibly you know

1098
00:38:29,569 --> 00:38:27,599
there's Ethics in journalism I mean if

1099
00:38:31,790 --> 00:38:29,579
this was done in a conventional

1100
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:31,800
journalistic environment people would be

1101
00:38:36,770 --> 00:38:34,079
fired for for posting that kind of uh

1102
00:38:40,010 --> 00:38:36,780
you know unredacted information so all

1103
00:38:41,690 --> 00:38:40,020
respect to a fantastic researcher who

1104
00:38:43,130 --> 00:38:41,700
has engraved his name into the history

1105
00:38:45,890 --> 00:38:43,140
of this subject

1106
00:38:47,089 --> 00:38:45,900
this was a this was an oversight and I

1107
00:38:48,650 --> 00:38:47,099
just wanted to make sure there was clear

1108
00:38:50,210 --> 00:38:48,660
communication between us before this

1109
00:38:53,630 --> 00:38:50,220
went out and the oak was okay with it

1110
00:38:56,210 --> 00:38:53,640
and that didn't happen and that's why

1111
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:56,220
I was upset but at the same time I just

1112
00:38:59,630 --> 00:38:57,119
think

1113
00:39:01,250 --> 00:38:59,640
it could have been handled better

1114
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:01,260
um we should just let the past be the

1115
00:39:05,450 --> 00:39:03,119
past luckily and I'll let people know

1116
00:39:07,550 --> 00:39:05,460
Oaks

1117
00:39:09,170 --> 00:39:07,560
um security number was not exploited out

1118
00:39:10,970 --> 00:39:09,180
so like that was an old one it's dead

1119
00:39:13,130 --> 00:39:10,980
it's not it's not the same

1120
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:13,140
um details that he's got now but there

1121
00:39:16,490 --> 00:39:14,640
were two other people on there that had

1122
00:39:18,290 --> 00:39:16,500
their details revealed and who knows

1123
00:39:20,450 --> 00:39:18,300
maybe they're still active and that

1124
00:39:22,609 --> 00:39:20,460
might impact them so it's just about

1125
00:39:24,109 --> 00:39:22,619
being careful with what you do at the

1126
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:24,119
end of the day you know getting that

1127
00:39:27,290 --> 00:39:25,680
information out is important but getting

1128
00:39:31,130 --> 00:39:27,300
that information out at the expense of

1129
00:39:35,210 --> 00:39:33,230
yeah thanks for clearing that up on on

1130
00:39:38,210 --> 00:39:35,220
your side Jay like I say many folks have

1131
00:39:39,710 --> 00:39:38,220
seen Grant Cameron's uh YouTube piece

1132
00:39:41,150 --> 00:39:39,720
and and maybe some of the stuff posted

1133
00:39:43,609 --> 00:39:41,160
online and it's always nice to be able

1134
00:39:45,230 --> 00:39:43,619
to get both kind of sides of things so

1135
00:39:46,730 --> 00:39:45,240
um and well sometimes the truth can be

1136
00:39:48,650 --> 00:39:46,740
somewhere in the middle like I say I'm

1137
00:39:50,089 --> 00:39:48,660
just asking to see where things are at

1138
00:39:51,950 --> 00:39:50,099
so that that makes sense though and

1139
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,960
appreciate the angle you're coming at

1140
00:39:55,550 --> 00:39:53,280
that from

1141
00:39:58,250 --> 00:39:55,560
um what do you hope the impact is going

1142
00:39:59,870 --> 00:39:58,260
forward of that interview you've done

1143
00:40:00,829 --> 00:39:59,880
what do you want the lasting impact to

1144
00:40:03,950 --> 00:40:00,839
be

1145
00:40:06,410 --> 00:40:03,960
well I mean I I think that the Admiral

1146
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:06,420
Wilson documents are being used as a

1147
00:40:10,730 --> 00:40:09,119
strategic card for Congressional and

1148
00:40:12,890 --> 00:40:10,740
certain committees to push into the

1149
00:40:14,930 --> 00:40:12,900
private sector I mean we didn't touch on

1150
00:40:17,870 --> 00:40:14,940
this but the fact that Dr Gary Nolan

1151
00:40:19,609 --> 00:40:17,880
went on you know Tucker Carlson and and

1152
00:40:21,290 --> 00:40:19,619
said that he believes they're authentic

1153
00:40:23,390 --> 00:40:21,300
and he did that with Ross Coulter in the

1154
00:40:25,790 --> 00:40:23,400
documentary people who need to remember

1155
00:40:27,770 --> 00:40:25,800
who Gary Nolan is he's connected to all

1156
00:40:30,349 --> 00:40:27,780
these people help us off Eric Davis Lu

1157
00:40:31,849 --> 00:40:30,359
Elizondo Christopher melon do you think

1158
00:40:34,010 --> 00:40:31,859
he just went off the reservation and

1159
00:40:36,589 --> 00:40:34,020
decided to say that hell no this is

1160
00:40:38,750 --> 00:40:36,599
strategic it's strategic and so he's now

1161
00:40:41,569 --> 00:40:38,760
pushed that ball forward by legitimizing

1162
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:41,579
it and having the background of his own

1163
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:43,200
authenticity which is just evident

1164
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:44,640
because he's one of the world's leading

1165
00:40:49,490 --> 00:40:47,040
geneticists he's extremely uh successful

1166
00:40:51,710 --> 00:40:49,500
in his career he's a genius to be honest

1167
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,720
and uh at the at the same time he's

1168
00:40:55,069 --> 00:40:53,280
sitting there and willfully

1169
00:40:56,930 --> 00:40:55,079
acknowledging that he believes he's a

1170
00:40:58,670 --> 00:40:56,940
legitimate documents and he has that

1171
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:58,680
background with these guys that would

1172
00:41:02,690 --> 00:41:00,960
make you go all right well he's not just

1173
00:41:04,250 --> 00:41:02,700
going to say that for no reason he's

1174
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:04,260
obviously sat down with them and they've

1175
00:41:08,089 --> 00:41:06,240
said yeah you can say this they just

1176
00:41:09,950 --> 00:41:08,099
can't say it themselves and there's

1177
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:09,960
legal implications as to why they can't

1178
00:41:14,270 --> 00:41:11,520
say it themselves which might explain

1179
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:14,280
maybe a part of this push to get a

1180
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:15,839
safety mechanism established for

1181
00:41:20,450 --> 00:41:17,520
whistleblowers it may be you know a

1182
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:20,460
component of that desire to do this so I

1183
00:41:24,109 --> 00:41:22,079
think that the Wilson documents in

1184
00:41:25,970 --> 00:41:24,119
general which have now been you know

1185
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:25,980
inserted into the Congressional Record

1186
00:41:29,930 --> 00:41:27,839
and are available on the Congress

1187
00:41:31,490 --> 00:41:29,940
website to download which is insane I

1188
00:41:34,130 --> 00:41:31,500
mean you've got literally documents

1189
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:34,140
about reverse engineering programs and a

1190
00:41:38,089 --> 00:41:35,760
director of the intelligence agency

1191
00:41:40,310 --> 00:41:38,099
defense intelligence agency uh being

1192
00:41:42,109 --> 00:41:40,320
denied access to them on congress's

1193
00:41:44,750 --> 00:41:42,119
website that's mind-blowing to me but

1194
00:41:45,770 --> 00:41:44,760
yeah I think that my hope for the

1195
00:41:48,109 --> 00:41:45,780
interview

1196
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:48,119
um and you know this isn't me puffing my

1197
00:41:51,650 --> 00:41:49,680
chest up or patting myself on the back

1198
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:51,660
I've been told by people that you know

1199
00:41:54,530 --> 00:41:52,800
there are certain members of the

1200
00:41:56,089 --> 00:41:54,540
executive and legislative branch of the

1201
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:56,099
US government that watch my interviews

1202
00:41:59,329 --> 00:41:58,079
Congress to watch my interviews and I

1203
00:42:00,890 --> 00:41:59,339
would not be surprised if it was the

1204
00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:00,900
exact same for you and the these people

1205
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:02,160
are watching what we're doing and

1206
00:42:06,410 --> 00:42:03,839
they're listening when we have you know

1207
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:06,420
big players on people from the Intel

1208
00:42:10,910 --> 00:42:08,640
community on talking about this stuff so

1209
00:42:12,829 --> 00:42:10,920
it's no surprise that there are eyes on

1210
00:42:15,170 --> 00:42:12,839
certain podcasters who are getting these

1211
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:15,180
people on and talking about this so my

1212
00:42:20,089 --> 00:42:17,760
hope and I've emailed a few Congress p

1213
00:42:22,849 --> 00:42:20,099
people these you know the interview to

1214
00:42:25,310 --> 00:42:22,859
encourage them to look into it and and

1215
00:42:28,849 --> 00:42:25,320
see if this can be used in any way but I

1216
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:28,859
think that ideally I would like to see

1217
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:31,440
this push Congress even further into

1218
00:42:35,630 --> 00:42:33,599
pressuring the private sector and the

1219
00:42:37,010 --> 00:42:35,640
more clandestine areas of the Pentagon

1220
00:42:38,569 --> 00:42:37,020
when it comes to research and

1221
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:38,579
development programs

1222
00:42:43,790 --> 00:42:41,760
about what is actually going on and he

1223
00:42:46,010 --> 00:42:43,800
didn't say this on the record but it's

1224
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:46,020
fine for me to let people know that Oak

1225
00:42:50,270 --> 00:42:47,760
Shannon said I asked him you know if

1226
00:42:52,430 --> 00:42:50,280
people approached you from a a select

1227
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:52,440
committee or from Congress and asked you

1228
00:42:55,550 --> 00:42:54,240
to testify about what you've been

1229
00:42:57,950 --> 00:42:55,560
telling me and what you've said on the

1230
00:43:00,170 --> 00:42:57,960
record would you do it and I actually

1231
00:43:01,550 --> 00:43:00,180
thought he'd say well Jay you know I I

1232
00:43:03,710 --> 00:43:01,560
don't want to be involved but he said no

1233
00:43:05,329 --> 00:43:03,720
I would I said sorry he said yes I will

1234
00:43:07,250 --> 00:43:05,339
do that I would I would do that if they

1235
00:43:10,609 --> 00:43:07,260
called me to do that so

1236
00:43:12,530 --> 00:43:10,619
I hope it can at least step forward

1237
00:43:14,329 --> 00:43:12,540
through Congress and and you never know

1238
00:43:15,950 --> 00:43:14,339
we might see Oak Shannon in a

1239
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:15,960
congressional setting saying that this

1240
00:43:19,309 --> 00:43:17,760
is what happened and

1241
00:43:21,410 --> 00:43:19,319
I think it's pretty obvious that he

1242
00:43:23,150 --> 00:43:21,420
knows a little bit more

1243
00:43:24,530 --> 00:43:23,160
um again you have to be very respectful

1244
00:43:26,510 --> 00:43:24,540
with these kind of people you can't just

1245
00:43:27,950 --> 00:43:26,520
push and push there were loads of things

1246
00:43:30,170 --> 00:43:27,960
I wanted to ask him during the interview

1247
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:30,180
you know like obviously like I've had

1248
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:31,440
people saying why didn't you drill down

1249
00:43:34,490 --> 00:43:32,880
on the advance theoretical physics group

1250
00:43:35,870 --> 00:43:34,500
it's like because we spoke about this

1251
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:35,880
and I have to be respectful of someone

1252
00:43:39,950 --> 00:43:38,160
when they say look I don't want to get

1253
00:43:42,050 --> 00:43:39,960
into this or that or the other or

1254
00:43:44,270 --> 00:43:42,060
speculate he was very clear that he

1255
00:43:46,010 --> 00:43:44,280
didn't want to speculate and and kind of

1256
00:43:47,569 --> 00:43:46,020
come up with ideas about other people

1257
00:43:49,130 --> 00:43:47,579
and other things that are happening he

1258
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:49,140
was just like I just want to tell the

1259
00:43:53,329 --> 00:43:51,119
truth as I know it the fact is I know it

1260
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:53,339
and and that's what he did you know he

1261
00:43:58,250 --> 00:43:55,200
told us that the parts of the notes that

1262
00:44:00,170 --> 00:43:58,260
involved him were authentic which is a a

1263
00:44:02,569 --> 00:44:00,180
really strong signifier of their

1264
00:44:04,430 --> 00:44:02,579
legitimacy he said some other stuff some

1265
00:44:06,890 --> 00:44:04,440
other interesting things that there were

1266
00:44:09,950 --> 00:44:06,900
people at Los Alamos National Labs that

1267
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:09,960
were at least and I'm still not 100 sure

1268
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:12,000
if it was official or not official but

1269
00:44:16,130 --> 00:44:13,680
he said that it was just kind of like an

1270
00:44:18,589 --> 00:44:16,140
unofficial interest by people within Los

1271
00:44:20,690 --> 00:44:18,599
Alamos labs but that they were you know

1272
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,700
researching and conducting some forms of

1273
00:44:24,650 --> 00:44:22,560
experiments to figure out what exactly

1274
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:24,660
this phenomenon was and that they'd come

1275
00:44:29,809 --> 00:44:26,400
to the conclusion that it was in some

1276
00:44:31,130 --> 00:44:29,819
way interdimensional in nature which he

1277
00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:31,140
expanded on a little bit with his

1278
00:44:34,970 --> 00:44:33,420
physics but I'm not a physicist so I

1279
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:34,980
won't pretend to fully understand the

1280
00:44:38,750 --> 00:44:36,720
implications of what he was uh what he

1281
00:44:40,010 --> 00:44:38,760
was saying in regards to that but we

1282
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:40,020
definitely got some interesting things

1283
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:41,040
from him

1284
00:44:44,530 --> 00:44:43,200
um you know even his own UFO sighting

1285
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:44,540
which I thought was kind of incredible

1286
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:46,800
and I I don't know if you've seen have

1287
00:44:51,650 --> 00:44:48,720
you seen the film nope

1288
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:51,660
have you seen nope yes yeah I watched

1289
00:44:54,890 --> 00:44:53,280
nope like the day before I interviewed

1290
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,900
him and then he tells me about a UFO

1291
00:44:58,010 --> 00:44:56,640
that he thought was living like a living

1292
00:44:59,630 --> 00:44:58,020
being I was like I don't need to hear

1293
00:45:00,040 --> 00:44:59,640
yeah that's right I don't need to hear

1294
00:45:02,450 --> 00:45:00,050
this

1295
00:45:04,670 --> 00:45:02,460
[Laughter]

1296
00:45:06,890 --> 00:45:04,680
well listen Jay many people have done

1297
00:45:09,170 --> 00:45:06,900
PCS on the Wilson Davis memo Richard

1298
00:45:10,370 --> 00:45:09,180
Dolan has a huge four or five part Deep

1299
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,380
dive on it

1300
00:45:13,970 --> 00:45:12,240
um Joe merger has a mega blog on it

1301
00:45:15,950 --> 00:45:13,980
which is very well known I've done my

1302
00:45:17,870 --> 00:45:15,960
own piece recently with Joe modular on

1303
00:45:20,270 --> 00:45:17,880
audio and YouTube and many others have

1304
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:20,280
so if people aren't well versed in the

1305
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,319
notes or the documents still go back and

1306
00:45:25,730 --> 00:45:24,000
check any of those out

1307
00:45:27,470 --> 00:45:25,740
um Jay thank you very much for your time

1308
00:45:29,569 --> 00:45:27,480
I encourage folks to check out your

1309
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:29,579
interview still with Oak and others in

1310
00:45:32,930 --> 00:45:31,440
your back catalog and is there anything

1311
00:45:34,250 --> 00:45:32,940
that you're currently working on that

1312
00:45:35,870 --> 00:45:34,260
you want to advise the listeners of

1313
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:35,880
before you head off

1314
00:45:39,470 --> 00:45:37,680
well I've still got a couple of people

1315
00:45:41,630 --> 00:45:39,480
to meet in the states and I'm really

1316
00:45:43,609 --> 00:45:41,640
looking forward to the conference on

1317
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,619
October the 8th in Manhattan with Dr

1318
00:45:47,329 --> 00:45:45,599
Gary Nolan and James Ian Dolly

1319
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:47,339
Christopher King and you know a bunch of

1320
00:45:51,530 --> 00:45:50,160
others so uh I'm looking forward to kind

1321
00:45:52,849 --> 00:45:51,540
of going there and shaking some hands

1322
00:45:55,010 --> 00:45:52,859
and maybe securing a couple more

1323
00:45:57,230 --> 00:45:55,020
interviews and I've recently I've been

1324
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:57,240
talking to and I'm scared I'm gonna mess

1325
00:46:01,490 --> 00:45:59,760
his name up Salvatore says our pay or

1326
00:46:05,329 --> 00:46:01,500
pie I I don't know how to pronounce it

1327
00:46:07,609 --> 00:46:05,339
his last name I almost say pie but yeah

1328
00:46:09,650 --> 00:46:07,619
yeah so Salvatore I've been talking to

1329
00:46:11,329 --> 00:46:09,660
him and he he would like to come on and

1330
00:46:13,849 --> 00:46:11,339
and have a conversation so that's going

1331
00:46:16,010 --> 00:46:13,859
to happen in October but apart from that

1332
00:46:17,450 --> 00:46:16,020
just you know enjoying my time out here

1333
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:17,460
it's a bit of business it's a bit of

1334
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:19,680
pleasure and uh I don't really want to

1335
00:46:22,849 --> 00:46:21,119
come back to the UK as I told you before

1336
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:22,859
we got on record but at some point I

1337
00:46:29,870 --> 00:46:27,650
it's a burning Forest at the moment but

1338
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,880
yeah some of us are stuck here so enjoy

1339
00:46:33,470 --> 00:46:31,440
your time away Jay thanks very much for

1340
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,480
breaking up your vacation slash business

1341
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:35,520
trip to join us uh you're most welcome

1342
00:46:40,130 --> 00:46:38,160
mate anytime thanks to Jay who took some

1343
00:46:42,290 --> 00:46:40,140
time out on his vacation in the states

1344
00:46:44,569 --> 00:46:42,300
to uh to speak to myself very much

1345
00:46:46,250 --> 00:46:44,579
appreciated thank you Jay and like I

1346
00:46:48,050 --> 00:46:46,260
sort of said to Jay regarding the the

1347
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:48,060
controversy that happened online with

1348
00:46:51,890 --> 00:46:50,400
Grant Cameron as well I think the truth

1349
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:51,900
tends to lie somewhere within the middle

1350
00:46:55,730 --> 00:46:53,760
of these things maybe a few wires got

1351
00:46:57,530 --> 00:46:55,740
crossed maybe there was a little bit of

1352
00:46:58,849 --> 00:46:57,540
a a little bit of column B and

1353
00:47:00,290 --> 00:46:58,859
whatever's happened there's been a

1354
00:47:03,050 --> 00:47:00,300
little bit of a falling out

1355
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:03,060
um but hopefully I would say Grant

1356
00:47:07,069 --> 00:47:05,040
Cameron Jay and others who all do

1357
00:47:09,050 --> 00:47:07,079
fantastic work in their own right can

1358
00:47:11,150 --> 00:47:09,060
just get past any kind of disagreements

1359
00:47:13,250 --> 00:47:11,160
and and just kind of move on

1360
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:13,260
um into doing the good work that they do

1361
00:47:17,150 --> 00:47:14,640
because that's a little bit unfortunate

1362
00:47:19,490 --> 00:47:17,160
I I think they will you know people this

1363
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:19,500
is a really good example actually of the

1364
00:47:22,730 --> 00:47:20,880
drama kind of distracting from the

1365
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:22,740
conversation a little bit right where

1366
00:47:26,270 --> 00:47:24,720
we've got this amazing interview that's

1367
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:26,280
happened that we've wanted happen for a

1368
00:47:28,910 --> 00:47:27,599
long time and instead of talking about

1369
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:28,920
the contents of the interview people are

1370
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:31,200
talking about the circumstances of who

1371
00:47:35,930 --> 00:47:33,599
released it first doesn't matter really

1372
00:47:39,650 --> 00:47:35,940
ultimately you know it's out there this

1373
00:47:41,569 --> 00:47:39,660
is this is Chinatown baby you know yeah

1374
00:47:43,490 --> 00:47:41,579
um I actually could have had Oak Shannon

1375
00:47:45,950 --> 00:47:43,500
on about two months ago Dan I never told

1376
00:47:48,290 --> 00:47:45,960
you really no that's not true I just

1377
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:48,300
went well there you go remember

1378
00:47:50,569 --> 00:47:49,440
um but someone will have pause that

1379
00:47:52,430 --> 00:47:50,579
there and I mean oh my God they could

1380
00:47:54,530 --> 00:47:52,440
have had him on and didn't uh him but

1381
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,540
that's how these things happen so yeah

1382
00:47:58,670 --> 00:47:56,880
like you say it I think for many of us

1383
00:48:00,650 --> 00:47:58,680
it doesn't matter I've never been one to

1384
00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:00,660
oh my God I have to skip people or be

1385
00:48:04,250 --> 00:48:02,640
the first one to release something I'm

1386
00:48:06,530 --> 00:48:04,260
not particularly fussed on that myself

1387
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,540
and different hosts have different

1388
00:48:10,970 --> 00:48:08,880
styles and different takeaways so well

1389
00:48:13,370 --> 00:48:10,980
and actually a good example there was

1390
00:48:15,770 --> 00:48:13,380
When You released the the hearing video

1391
00:48:17,089 --> 00:48:15,780
of Lou and I was trying to get you to

1392
00:48:18,770 --> 00:48:17,099
slow down so I could pop her up on

1393
00:48:20,030 --> 00:48:18,780
YouTube and you know pop pop the podcast

1394
00:48:22,130 --> 00:48:20,040
logo on it and you're like nope don't

1395
00:48:23,329 --> 00:48:22,140
care I'm just gonna put her out and you

1396
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:23,339
know it's about getting the information

1397
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:24,720
out and moving the ball down the field

1398
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:26,880
it's not about anyone being first yeah

1399
00:48:34,430 --> 00:48:30,319
although I was so yeah

1400
00:48:36,349 --> 00:48:34,440
no so um yeah so it's again been one of

1401
00:48:38,089 --> 00:48:36,359
those conversations that a little bit

1402
00:48:40,970 --> 00:48:38,099
like seeing Chris melon and Linda Milton

1403
00:48:43,010 --> 00:48:40,980
how talking I've seen loads of other UFO

1404
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:43,020
Twitter names and personalities and

1405
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:46,079
groups going back and forward Gary Nolan

1406
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:47,520
and John Greenwald have been having a

1407
00:48:50,990 --> 00:48:49,200
little bit of Tit for Tat all all very

1408
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:51,000
much good-natured

1409
00:48:54,410 --> 00:48:52,800
um Tim McMillan's been been clearing

1410
00:48:57,050 --> 00:48:54,420
things up and discussing it Joe merger

1411
00:48:58,970 --> 00:48:57,060
Grant Cameron Richard Dolan

1412
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:58,980
um Richard Dolan just last night again

1413
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:00,960
has released a show again Dan and I have

1414
00:49:05,089 --> 00:49:03,119
managed to watch that today and where he

1415
00:49:06,589 --> 00:49:05,099
gives many people including Jay big

1416
00:49:08,809 --> 00:49:06,599
shout out for the work they've done in

1417
00:49:10,490 --> 00:49:08,819
terms of the Wilson Davis notes

1418
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:10,500
um really quick rundown I recommend

1419
00:49:14,210 --> 00:49:12,240
people go and watch we'll put the link

1420
00:49:16,609 --> 00:49:14,220
for it in the description then the Retro

1421
00:49:19,490 --> 00:49:16,619
ensure it's only 54 55 minutes long

1422
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:19,500
which for Richard is I mean I snippet

1423
00:49:23,569 --> 00:49:21,599
that's a YouTube shot for Rachel isn't

1424
00:49:25,309 --> 00:49:23,579
it normally yeah he likes his longer

1425
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:25,319
form and um he does a really nice

1426
00:49:29,690 --> 00:49:27,839
rundown and summation of the notes in

1427
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:29,700
the Wilson Davis memo if you haven't

1428
00:49:33,050 --> 00:49:31,440
checked out the one at the Deep dive I

1429
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:33,060
done with Joe mergia do go check that

1430
00:49:36,650 --> 00:49:35,040
out but um Richard Dolan gives a really

1431
00:49:38,270 --> 00:49:36,660
nice quick summation of what he thinks

1432
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:38,280
of the notes bringing it back up to

1433
00:49:43,609 --> 00:49:41,040
speed and then I agree with what he says

1434
00:49:45,710 --> 00:49:43,619
though that after all this controversy

1435
00:49:47,630 --> 00:49:45,720
it does seem a little bit redundant

1436
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:47,640
because so much conversation is coming

1437
00:49:52,250 --> 00:49:49,440
from the fact that it doesn't actually

1438
00:49:53,630 --> 00:49:52,260
change the contents of the memo or what

1439
00:49:56,089 --> 00:49:53,640
you think about them because people like

1440
00:49:58,970 --> 00:49:56,099
myself and yourself Dan and many others

1441
00:50:01,550 --> 00:49:58,980
I agree they're not so genuine and that

1442
00:50:03,230 --> 00:50:01,560
meeting did take place and for me it's

1443
00:50:05,569 --> 00:50:03,240
just a useful puzzle piece like I said

1444
00:50:07,309 --> 00:50:05,579
to Jay yeah that and a jigsaw that's

1445
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,319
getting filled in oh now we can see that

1446
00:50:12,109 --> 00:50:09,599
yeah from Orcs point of view he did vet

1447
00:50:13,730 --> 00:50:12,119
Eric Davis for Admiral Thomas Wilson and

1448
00:50:16,970 --> 00:50:13,740
Admiral Wilson when asked about auction

1449
00:50:19,010 --> 00:50:16,980
and said ok who yeah and he's just been

1450
00:50:20,510 --> 00:50:19,020
kind of staunch and denying his

1451
00:50:23,290 --> 00:50:20,520
involvement in all of this but he is

1452
00:50:25,730 --> 00:50:23,300
always going to do that understandably

1453
00:50:27,470 --> 00:50:25,740
changes you know he was threatened to

1454
00:50:29,089 --> 00:50:27,480
have his Stars taken away his whole

1455
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,099
career was threatened whoever he spoke

1456
00:50:36,170 --> 00:50:31,920
to if this is a genuine document was

1457
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:36,180
outside of and above the law uh Jay

1458
00:50:39,950 --> 00:50:38,160
actually put a really fair statement

1459
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:39,960
online I thought that that hits the nail

1460
00:50:43,370 --> 00:50:42,000
on the head he wrote Oak acknowledging

1461
00:50:44,809 --> 00:50:43,380
and authenticating the statements that

1462
00:50:46,609 --> 00:50:44,819
relate to him that are in these notes

1463
00:50:49,130 --> 00:50:46,619
provide an extremely strong argument for

1464
00:50:50,569 --> 00:50:49,140
the their legitimacy the Admiral will

1465
00:50:52,609 --> 00:50:50,579
deny the meeting because he broke the

1466
00:50:55,069 --> 00:50:52,619
law slash security oath if we change the

1467
00:50:56,750 --> 00:50:55,079
law we may he may change his View and

1468
00:50:58,190 --> 00:50:56,760
that relates back to the legislation you

1469
00:51:00,049 --> 00:50:58,200
know Admiral Wilson could be one of the

1470
00:51:01,490 --> 00:51:00,059
people who away in saying yeah I'll talk

1471
00:51:02,930 --> 00:51:01,500
to you but you need to get this law

1472
00:51:06,290 --> 00:51:02,940
enacted first otherwise I'm just gonna

1473
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:06,300
deny deny deny and part of me thinks as

1474
00:51:11,150 --> 00:51:09,359
well with you know in in the notes

1475
00:51:14,089 --> 00:51:11,160
Wilson approaches essentially the The

1476
00:51:16,010 --> 00:51:14,099
Gatekeepers of the Legacy programs and

1477
00:51:18,829 --> 00:51:16,020
he's told what they're working on and

1478
00:51:20,510 --> 00:51:18,839
he's turned down as having access yeah

1479
00:51:21,890 --> 00:51:20,520
it's always kind of gotten under my skin

1480
00:51:24,049 --> 00:51:21,900
that they were so open about what they

1481
00:51:26,450 --> 00:51:24,059
were working on and I wonder if maybe

1482
00:51:27,230 --> 00:51:26,460
they didn't tell him the truth uh it

1483
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:27,240
doesn't

1484
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:31,200
have no involvement with UFO stuff but

1485
00:51:34,130 --> 00:51:32,880
it certainly makes me wonder you know

1486
00:51:36,770 --> 00:51:34,140
who are these people what are they

1487
00:51:39,530 --> 00:51:36,780
actually working on and how come that

1488
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:39,540
they're outside of

1489
00:51:44,270 --> 00:51:41,760
of you know congressional oversight and

1490
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:44,280
and presidential oversight

1491
00:51:48,170 --> 00:51:46,319
what it seemed like in my head then is

1492
00:51:50,030 --> 00:51:48,180
that he's he's found one of those

1493
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:50,040
corridors or stove pipes that Tom Delong

1494
00:51:53,390 --> 00:51:51,599
talked about and he's gone down the

1495
00:51:54,890 --> 00:51:53,400
corridor knocked on the door someone's

1496
00:51:56,690 --> 00:51:54,900
opened the door but not too much and can

1497
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:56,700
I stuck their head out and he's kind of

1498
00:51:59,690 --> 00:51:58,319
looking in the background as if like you

1499
00:52:01,609 --> 00:51:59,700
know oh what's going on in there and

1500
00:52:04,309 --> 00:52:01,619
they've went crash retrieval program oh

1501
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:04,319
okay can I find out more nope well why

1502
00:52:08,569 --> 00:52:06,720
not I'm yeah you just can't and the

1503
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:08,579
slander door in his face and it's like

1504
00:52:12,170 --> 00:52:10,559
oh they've admitted yeah we're working

1505
00:52:14,569 --> 00:52:12,180
on these things but you can't know any

1506
00:52:15,650 --> 00:52:14,579
more about it and then that's it locked

1507
00:52:18,250 --> 00:52:15,660
out

1508
00:52:21,049 --> 00:52:18,260
um yeah it's like you say it's

1509
00:52:23,930 --> 00:52:21,059
tantalizingly frustrating but

1510
00:52:25,549 --> 00:52:23,940
I get why Admiral Wilson denies you know

1511
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:25,559
everything because it's very easy for

1512
00:52:29,390 --> 00:52:27,119
him to do that and until he comes out

1513
00:52:31,069 --> 00:52:29,400
and says yes that meeting happened well

1514
00:52:33,230 --> 00:52:31,079
let's be fair that as a game changer in

1515
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:33,240
terms of the conversation Admiral Wilson

1516
00:52:37,010 --> 00:52:34,559
coming out and seeing this meeting

1517
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:37,020
happened and the notes are genuine isn't

1518
00:52:41,150 --> 00:52:38,640
far off a picture of a black triangle

1519
00:52:43,309 --> 00:52:41,160
being released in terms of Gravitas and

1520
00:52:46,490 --> 00:52:43,319
weight because all of a sudden a very

1521
00:52:47,450 --> 00:52:46,500
senior figure is admitting or completely

1522
00:52:49,970 --> 00:52:47,460
lying

1523
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:49,980
that there are crash retrieval programs

1524
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:52,800
down craft we know about aliens existing

1525
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:54,960
you know all that kind of stuff so it

1526
00:52:59,210 --> 00:52:56,880
would be huge and until he just changes

1527
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:59,220
that one no to a yes

1528
00:53:03,230 --> 00:53:00,960
that's that's the way it's gonna remain

1529
00:53:04,730 --> 00:53:03,240
yeah definitely I'm just gonna quickly

1530
00:53:06,109 --> 00:53:04,740
run through the implications Richard at

1531
00:53:07,970 --> 00:53:06,119
the end of this video I had a few really

1532
00:53:09,950 --> 00:53:07,980
interesting uh bullet points where he

1533
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:09,960
said you know if if these are real then

1534
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:12,000
these are the implications

1535
00:53:16,670 --> 00:53:13,920
um the implications are aliens are here

1536
00:53:18,589 --> 00:53:16,680
and they are real that we have recovered

1537
00:53:20,930 --> 00:53:18,599
their technology including an intact

1538
00:53:22,250 --> 00:53:20,940
torsa that their technology is far

1539
00:53:24,829 --> 00:53:22,260
beyond our knowledge and capabilities

1540
00:53:26,510 --> 00:53:24,839
that private military contractors are

1541
00:53:27,530 --> 00:53:26,520
attempting to study and replicate that

1542
00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:27,540
technology

1543
00:53:31,490 --> 00:53:29,760
the contractors have exceptional levels

1544
00:53:33,710 --> 00:53:31,500
of protection for their work from the US

1545
00:53:35,450 --> 00:53:33,720
government they're immune from all types

1546
00:53:37,069 --> 00:53:35,460
of inquiry including the highest level

1547
00:53:39,410 --> 00:53:37,079
intelligence officials

1548
00:53:41,290 --> 00:53:39,420
we don't really have any idea who is in

1549
00:53:44,809 --> 00:53:41,300
charge it's clearly not the US president

1550
00:53:46,849 --> 00:53:44,819
the sap which is the the special access

1551
00:53:49,790 --> 00:53:46,859
programs uh connection to this program

1552
00:53:51,410 --> 00:53:49,800
are buried within the dod uh Dolan has

1553
00:53:53,089 --> 00:53:51,420
been told privately that there are

1554
00:53:55,130 --> 00:53:53,099
similar programs in the CIA and the

1555
00:53:56,930 --> 00:53:55,140
department of energy that there's a

1556
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:56,940
significant wall of secrecy around the

1557
00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:59,520
program and that includes media coverage

1558
00:54:04,670 --> 00:54:01,920
mainstream media coverage and more

1559
00:54:06,589 --> 00:54:04,680
that they've extracted significant

1560
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:06,599
amount of money for r d security

1561
00:54:09,950 --> 00:54:08,640
engineering manufacturing and operation

1562
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:09,960
you know that's not going to be cheap

1563
00:54:14,270 --> 00:54:12,720
that someone is benefiting from all this

1564
00:54:15,950 --> 00:54:14,280
whether it's private contract or someone

1565
00:54:19,250 --> 00:54:15,960
else we don't know someone has got a

1566
00:54:21,410 --> 00:54:19,260
benefit from this and ultimately that if

1567
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:21,420
that program exists where they Harbor

1568
00:54:24,589 --> 00:54:23,280
this technology that's so Advanced that

1569
00:54:26,510 --> 00:54:24,599
could change the world and so on so

1570
00:54:28,430 --> 00:54:26,520
forth it means that we essentially

1571
00:54:31,549 --> 00:54:28,440
currently are living in a fictitious

1572
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:31,559
reality that's kind of built by a small

1573
00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:33,119
group who are concealing the actual

1574
00:54:38,089 --> 00:54:36,180
truth about aliens being here now that

1575
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:38,099
last statement is very very loaded right

1576
00:54:43,490 --> 00:54:41,520
and and it your mileage may vary but if

1577
00:54:45,530 --> 00:54:43,500
that is true and there is a somewhat

1578
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:45,540
Breakaway like little civilization group

1579
00:54:49,690 --> 00:54:47,280
of people with this technology studying

1580
00:54:52,370 --> 00:54:49,700
it it amounts to

1581
00:54:54,770 --> 00:54:52,380
possibly the the most astounding smoke

1582
00:54:56,690 --> 00:54:54,780
screen in history

1583
00:54:59,150 --> 00:54:56,700
not just U.S history but history

1584
00:55:02,930 --> 00:54:59,160
entirely in terms of human race

1585
00:55:05,630 --> 00:55:02,940
100 and until that time I think the last

1586
00:55:07,250 --> 00:55:05,640
week in general it's been a little bit

1587
00:55:08,690 --> 00:55:07,260
overblown in terms of reaction and

1588
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:08,700
conversation and what's come from It

1589
00:55:12,290 --> 00:55:10,319
ultimately we have a little bit of

1590
00:55:15,710 --> 00:55:12,300
confirmation on a very mysterious

1591
00:55:17,329 --> 00:55:15,720
document uh which is a kind of a small

1592
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:17,339
win for the good guys I think for those

1593
00:55:21,170 --> 00:55:18,720
of us who support the documents

1594
00:55:22,849 --> 00:55:21,180
legitimacy yes one of the names on there

1595
00:55:25,010 --> 00:55:22,859
has come out and said yep I you know I

1596
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:25,020
vouch for Eric Davis and Admiral Thomas

1597
00:55:28,730 --> 00:55:26,880
Wilson does indeed know me so that's

1598
00:55:30,530 --> 00:55:28,740
that was good to hear because again it

1599
00:55:32,690 --> 00:55:30,540
goes down to really basically Oak

1600
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:32,700
Shannon's lying or Admiral Thomas

1601
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:35,280
Wilson's line and yeah and the argument

1602
00:55:40,370 --> 00:55:37,440
around the Wilson Davis memo

1603
00:55:42,349 --> 00:55:40,380
Admiral Thomas Wilson right now the the

1604
00:55:44,210 --> 00:55:42,359
evidence very much leans towards him

1605
00:55:47,569 --> 00:55:44,220
being the one who is is not being

1606
00:55:49,490 --> 00:55:47,579
truthful but understandably so so yeah

1607
00:55:50,990 --> 00:55:49,500
um Dan let's in the time I've got left

1608
00:55:52,670 --> 00:55:51,000
because we're going almost an hour now

1609
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:52,680
once the the J stuff has been in as well

1610
00:55:56,750 --> 00:55:54,240
so we'll run through some other nose

1611
00:55:59,210 --> 00:55:56,760
pieces uh kind of short form

1612
00:56:02,510 --> 00:55:59,220
um first one the logo situation so

1613
00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:02,520
recently the Nim Aviation logo which is

1614
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,359
an official DOD Department

1615
00:56:10,790 --> 00:56:07,920
Department under the I want to say the

1616
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:10,800
National Intelligence uh odni early

1617
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,960
office Director of National Intelligence

1618
00:56:16,250 --> 00:56:14,400
there you go so many acronyms to

1619
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:16,260
remember there's too many to remember to

1620
00:56:18,650 --> 00:56:17,520
the point nobody just throw stuff out

1621
00:56:20,450 --> 00:56:18,660
there and sometimes I'm right and

1622
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:20,460
sometimes I'm not

1623
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:23,280
um but yeah they really start a logo uh

1624
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:25,440
a new kind of patch type effort and

1625
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:26,640
these things have always got kind of

1626
00:56:30,109 --> 00:56:28,079
crazy designs and you do some of these

1627
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:30,119
yourself don't you but when you're with

1628
00:56:33,770 --> 00:56:31,680
an official government and you release

1629
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:33,780
one on your website which has several

1630
00:56:37,849 --> 00:56:35,760
different types of aircraft prototypes

1631
00:56:40,670 --> 00:56:37,859
drones all that kind of stuff but in the

1632
00:56:42,890 --> 00:56:40,680
bottom left a great big Flying Saucer um

1633
00:56:44,809 --> 00:56:42,900
kicking about it certainly is going to

1634
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:44,819
raise some eyebrows now

1635
00:56:48,530 --> 00:56:47,280
done very quickly what did you make of

1636
00:56:50,030 --> 00:56:48,540
the whole situation because we talked

1637
00:56:51,770 --> 00:56:50,040
about it from early on and we're

1638
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:51,780
relatively skeptical about what it may

1639
00:56:57,049 --> 00:56:54,720
or may not be yeah right from the get-go

1640
00:56:58,910 --> 00:56:57,059
I was pretty skeptical uh you know

1641
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:58,920
things like that they make me narrow my

1642
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:00,720
eyes because I'm like yeah it looks too

1643
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:02,640
good to be true they usually are you

1644
00:57:06,589 --> 00:57:03,839
know I thought you were going to say

1645
00:57:08,030 --> 00:57:06,599
poor resolution but that was a bad joke

1646
00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:08,040
and and there were there were two

1647
00:57:11,630 --> 00:57:09,359
different logos on the website as well

1648
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:11,640
with two different UFO sources yeah in

1649
00:57:15,230 --> 00:57:13,440
them as well so clearly one of them was

1650
00:57:17,809 --> 00:57:15,240
a draft everything was misaligned and

1651
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:17,819
and people immediately just you know

1652
00:57:22,609 --> 00:57:19,920
went diving in about what it could mean

1653
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:22,619
the US government and the military has a

1654
00:57:26,270 --> 00:57:24,480
history of having some rather esoteric

1655
00:57:27,650 --> 00:57:26,280
symbolism on their patches and I've

1656
00:57:29,150 --> 00:57:27,660
learned being fortunate to learn that

1657
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:29,160
working with people like Tim McMillan

1658
00:57:33,470 --> 00:57:30,960
the journalist uh he he has a

1659
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:33,480
particularly affinity for patches and

1660
00:57:37,609 --> 00:57:35,520
the the kind of semiotics that are on

1661
00:57:39,230 --> 00:57:37,619
them you know the symbology

1662
00:57:40,910 --> 00:57:39,240
and so

1663
00:57:43,069 --> 00:57:40,920
I can confidently say there is a history

1664
00:57:44,750 --> 00:57:43,079
of the US government having aliens on

1665
00:57:46,910 --> 00:57:44,760
their patches and things like that yeah

1666
00:57:48,589 --> 00:57:46,920
but in more of a cutie way never in a

1667
00:57:50,089 --> 00:57:48,599
this is the official Insignia of the

1668
00:57:51,530 --> 00:57:50,099
department it's more of a you know

1669
00:57:53,089 --> 00:57:51,540
soldiers to soldiers on a particular

1670
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:53,099
Mission or you know something like that

1671
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:54,480
they'll have a tongue-in-cheek patch

1672
00:57:58,670 --> 00:57:56,160
that isn't necessarily official but it

1673
00:58:02,150 --> 00:57:58,680
kind of is internally you know

1674
00:58:03,710 --> 00:58:02,160
my inclination is that this patch

1675
00:58:06,530 --> 00:58:03,720
because you can buy it online from a

1676
00:58:08,569 --> 00:58:06,540
reputable patch Creator uh that only

1677
00:58:12,170 --> 00:58:08,579
deals in military patches

1678
00:58:14,569 --> 00:58:12,180
that it's more of an internal thing it

1679
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:14,579
being put up online could be a multitude

1680
00:58:17,809 --> 00:58:16,319
of things it brings me to thinking about

1681
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:17,819
we always talk about the human element

1682
00:58:22,730 --> 00:58:19,440
in these things you know ultimately we

1683
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:22,740
have someone probably that they're a

1684
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:26,640
career professional uh civil servant and

1685
00:58:30,109 --> 00:58:28,319
they might click the wrong thing when

1686
00:58:31,970 --> 00:58:30,119
they're uploading like a new logo to a

1687
00:58:33,290 --> 00:58:31,980
website or something like that there are

1688
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:33,300
a whole load of other broken links on

1689
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:35,520
the website as well so it's not like the

1690
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:37,200
website was particularly functional and

1691
00:58:42,410 --> 00:58:39,359
finished and things like that

1692
00:58:44,329 --> 00:58:42,420
um but it did shed light on the fact

1693
00:58:46,490 --> 00:58:44,339
that

1694
00:58:48,530 --> 00:58:46,500
can you hear the I I can hear the ice

1695
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:48,540
cream van coming here then government

1696
00:58:51,410 --> 00:58:50,400
has information on its way yeah it is

1697
00:58:53,210 --> 00:58:51,420
yeah yeah

1698
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:53,220
um Okay so

1699
00:58:59,150 --> 00:58:55,680
oh the ice cream van totally threw me uh

1700
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:59,160
yeah so so Tim McMillan said that name a

1701
00:59:02,390 --> 00:59:00,720
is just being cute and the patch means

1702
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:02,400
they gather intelligence on All Foreign

1703
00:59:06,770 --> 00:59:04,559
Aerospace platforms including unknowns

1704
00:59:08,809 --> 00:59:06,780
yep people correctly pointed out that a

1705
00:59:12,049 --> 00:59:08,819
few months back Lou alizondo made an

1706
00:59:14,030 --> 00:59:12,059
allusions to this department name a

1707
00:59:16,250 --> 00:59:14,040
actually having a big impact on the

1708
00:59:17,630 --> 00:59:16,260
discussion of UAP and and it wasn't

1709
00:59:20,089 --> 00:59:17,640
clear what that was and a lot of people

1710
00:59:21,950 --> 00:59:20,099
thought oh is it this logo it turns out

1711
00:59:24,530 --> 00:59:21,960
no it's not the logo uh Lou was talking

1712
00:59:26,990 --> 00:59:24,540
about General Dan Simpson and referring

1713
00:59:30,650 --> 00:59:27,000
to the early actions that would lead aoi

1714
00:59:33,170 --> 00:59:30,660
MSG the previous incarnation of the UAP

1715
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:33,180
office to become Arrow which is what it

1716
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:36,240
is now which meant that Nim a had to now

1717
00:59:39,710 --> 00:59:37,440
be part of the loop for National

1718
00:59:40,970 --> 00:59:39,720
Intelligence estimates on UAP so

1719
00:59:43,010 --> 00:59:40,980
essentially

1720
00:59:45,170 --> 00:59:43,020
it could be a mistake or it could be

1721
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:45,180
something popped up to say to the public

1722
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:46,799
hey this is where you need to look we're

1723
00:59:49,789 --> 00:59:48,480
overseeing this whole thing they were

1724
00:59:51,530 --> 00:59:49,799
the ones that helped prepare the report

1725
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:51,540
that's probably where the next report

1726
00:59:55,789 --> 00:59:54,480
will be on that website so we're all now

1727
00:59:56,809 --> 00:59:55,799
on the same page looking in the right

1728
00:59:58,490 --> 00:59:56,819
direction

1729
01:00:01,970 --> 00:59:58,500
yeah I've got nothing to add to that one

1730
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:01,980
it was interesting it was no way shape

1731
01:00:05,089 --> 01:00:03,599
or form the kind of sinister thing

1732
01:00:06,890 --> 01:00:05,099
people thought it was or people

1733
01:00:09,230 --> 01:00:06,900
overlooked into it that it's more of an

1734
01:00:12,109 --> 01:00:09,240
admission and drip feed it's just it was

1735
01:00:14,510 --> 01:00:12,119
a logo and it was genuine but you know

1736
01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:14,520
it is what it is and it's kind of all

1737
01:00:17,329 --> 01:00:15,839
blown over now

1738
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:17,339
um next what was the statement they put

1739
01:00:22,130 --> 01:00:20,880
out uh erroneously that's it and that

1740
01:00:25,069 --> 01:00:22,140
could mean anything it just could mean

1741
01:00:27,410 --> 01:00:25,079
that Karen you know uploaded it wrong

1742
01:00:31,010 --> 01:00:27,420
um or if you want to go to the other end

1743
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:31,020
of the scale that we we've heard for

1744
01:00:35,150 --> 01:00:34,079
years now that within the dod there are

1745
01:00:37,309 --> 01:00:35,160
people who want this out and there are

1746
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:37,319
people that want to keep this secret we

1747
01:00:40,490 --> 01:00:38,640
could have just seen a little scuffle

1748
01:00:42,289 --> 01:00:40,500
between two people who were on either

1749
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:42,299
side of that fence someone posted the

1750
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:44,160
logo someone took it down

1751
01:00:47,630 --> 01:00:46,079
yeah 100

1752
01:00:49,730 --> 01:00:47,640
um there was also some other updates

1753
01:00:51,650 --> 01:00:49,740
very quickly uh Ronnie vernay Brazilian

1754
01:00:53,809 --> 01:00:51,660
journalist who's been dealing with the

1755
01:00:55,370 --> 01:00:53,819
updates on the hearing so that happened

1756
01:00:57,049 --> 01:00:55,380
to Citizen type hearings that happened

1757
01:00:58,670 --> 01:00:57,059
some time ago in Brazil

1758
01:01:00,109 --> 01:00:58,680
um I asked him if there was any news on

1759
01:01:02,210 --> 01:01:00,119
potential hearings happening in

1760
01:01:03,710 --> 01:01:02,220
Brazilian Parliament Congress and he

1761
01:01:05,690 --> 01:01:03,720
said everything's on hold just now

1762
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:05,700
because elections are due in Brazil

1763
01:01:09,530 --> 01:01:07,440
through October so there'll be nothing

1764
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:09,540
till November at the earliest and again

1765
01:01:13,549 --> 01:01:11,280
we know what happens when things change

1766
01:01:15,950 --> 01:01:13,559
in terms of leadership and local and

1767
01:01:17,329 --> 01:01:15,960
international election then yeah that

1768
01:01:19,010 --> 01:01:17,339
that could put things on hold for a

1769
01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:19,020
little bit longer as well so anyone

1770
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:20,640
wondering about the Brazilian hearings

1771
01:01:25,250 --> 01:01:22,079
and elections if you've been in touch

1772
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:25,260
that's why so yep uh nothing more to say

1773
01:01:31,549 --> 01:01:26,640
on that one

1774
01:01:33,950 --> 01:01:31,559
um Dan the dot Mission recently we

1775
01:01:35,890 --> 01:01:33,960
smashed an asteroid to bits which sounds

1776
01:01:39,230 --> 01:01:35,900
like a great idea

1777
01:01:41,170 --> 01:01:39,240
well we didn't smash it a bit uh you

1778
01:01:43,849 --> 01:01:41,180
know I've seen that I can't remember

1779
01:01:46,609 --> 01:01:43,859
yeah if we blew the asteroid up we turn

1780
01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:46,619
into the other asteroids but the idea

1781
01:01:52,430 --> 01:01:49,920
was that we could hit an asteroid with a

1782
01:01:53,870 --> 01:01:52,440
spacecraft and change its trajectory so

1783
01:01:55,309 --> 01:01:53,880
if we can see that an asteroid was going

1784
01:01:57,049 --> 01:01:55,319
to hit us we could just send a

1785
01:01:58,849 --> 01:01:57,059
spacecraft up to hit it onto a different

1786
01:02:01,549 --> 01:01:58,859
path and then problem solved is not

1787
01:02:02,990 --> 01:02:01,559
going to hit us better than sending or

1788
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:03,000
training oil

1789
01:02:09,289 --> 01:02:06,480
rig workers as uh as astronauts thanks

1790
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:09,299
Michael Bay but yeah they they sent it

1791
01:02:14,930 --> 01:02:12,000
up it hit properly uh you know the video

1792
01:02:17,150 --> 01:02:14,940
is available online and it's a really

1793
01:02:19,970 --> 01:02:17,160
amazing feat imagine throwing a dart

1794
01:02:22,190 --> 01:02:19,980
10.5 million kilometers to hit a Target

1795
01:02:24,349 --> 01:02:22,200
that's 160 meters wide while traveling

1796
01:02:25,490 --> 01:02:24,359
at 22 000 miles an hour as I jokingly

1797
01:02:26,690 --> 01:02:25,500
said the other day we still have people

1798
01:02:28,670 --> 01:02:26,700
on Earth that can't even Park between

1799
01:02:31,490 --> 01:02:28,680
two white lines yet NASA are there doing

1800
01:02:33,650 --> 01:02:31,500
that uh it's impressive we we don't know

1801
01:02:35,630 --> 01:02:33,660
we know that it moved the asteroid about

1802
01:02:37,970 --> 01:02:35,640
17 meters we don't know if that's enough

1803
01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:37,980
to make it you know shift off its path

1804
01:02:41,329 --> 01:02:39,599
enough that it wouldn't hit us if it was

1805
01:02:43,069 --> 01:02:41,339
going to but we'll find out over the

1806
01:02:45,410 --> 01:02:43,079
next few months but the cool thing was

1807
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:45,420
that it was the one of the very first

1808
01:02:49,370 --> 01:02:47,280
targets that the Hubble telescope and

1809
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:49,380
the James Webb Telescope simultaneously

1810
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:51,359
looked at at the same time which you

1811
01:02:56,270 --> 01:02:54,240
know kind of a cool nerd Factor so if

1812
01:02:58,010 --> 01:02:56,280
that asteroid had any reason to think it

1813
01:02:59,930 --> 01:02:58,020
was being picked on it would be correct

1814
01:03:02,089 --> 01:02:59,940
because we looked at it with several

1815
01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:02,099
telescopes and launched launched our

1816
01:03:05,089 --> 01:03:03,599
projectile after but yeah the video was

1817
01:03:07,309 --> 01:03:05,099
really cool and I always think it's

1818
01:03:09,950 --> 01:03:07,319
amazing that we can get those images

1819
01:03:11,690 --> 01:03:09,960
back so clearly and from the distance

1820
01:03:13,010 --> 01:03:11,700
they have to travel and it's one of

1821
01:03:15,829 --> 01:03:13,020
those you know when folks complain about

1822
01:03:17,809 --> 01:03:15,839
the quality of like CCTV images and you

1823
01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:17,819
think yeah we're sending back HD

1824
01:03:21,890 --> 01:03:20,400
pictures from you know spacecraft are

1825
01:03:23,809 --> 01:03:21,900
millions of miles away it's incredible

1826
01:03:25,490 --> 01:03:23,819
but yeah we do have to remember that

1827
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:25,500
that was so there was like a 30 second

1828
01:03:31,490 --> 01:03:28,559
delay yeah and it was sending back still

1829
01:03:32,930 --> 01:03:31,500
frames that were kind of amassed into so

1830
01:03:34,789 --> 01:03:32,940
you know if that camera had been

1831
01:03:36,829 --> 01:03:34,799
recording crime the police would not

1832
01:03:38,089 --> 01:03:36,839
know for at least 30 seconds and the

1833
01:03:39,710 --> 01:03:38,099
criminals would be gone by the time they

1834
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:39,720
got there so you know better definition

1835
01:03:44,569 --> 01:03:43,680
but yeah yeah not not better it's still

1836
01:03:46,430 --> 01:03:44,579
pretty cool though and it's something

1837
01:03:48,410 --> 01:03:46,440
that again planetary defense people talk

1838
01:03:49,730 --> 01:03:48,420
about not to go on about it but it's

1839
01:03:51,170 --> 01:03:49,740
it's one of those kind of pressing

1840
01:03:53,569 --> 01:03:51,180
issues that if there was something

1841
01:03:55,430 --> 01:03:53,579
heading our way then yeah we do want to

1842
01:03:57,349 --> 01:03:55,440
be doing this kind of stuff and I don't

1843
01:03:59,150 --> 01:03:57,359
think again to take it back to UFOs

1844
01:04:01,010 --> 01:03:59,160
there was anything necessarily in this

1845
01:04:02,990 --> 01:04:01,020
that were defending against anything

1846
01:04:04,910 --> 01:04:03,000
coming at us because I'm sure any

1847
01:04:07,970 --> 01:04:04,920
sufficiently advanced technology would

1848
01:04:09,890 --> 01:04:07,980
be able to Dart out the way of some kind

1849
01:04:12,890 --> 01:04:09,900
of satellite slash probe being launched

1850
01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:12,900
at it from a great distance yeah so yeah

1851
01:04:15,710 --> 01:04:14,160
they're coming right and they just go

1852
01:04:17,030 --> 01:04:15,720
yeah we're just gonna swap that away

1853
01:04:19,309 --> 01:04:17,040
whatever it is that you're trying to

1854
01:04:21,950 --> 01:04:19,319
degree let it pass through a transition

1855
01:04:24,349 --> 01:04:21,960
style but yeah there we go

1856
01:04:25,730 --> 01:04:24,359
um Dan James Webb James Webb sorry I'm

1857
01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:25,740
James Fox and I thought we'll get to

1858
01:04:31,609 --> 01:04:28,799
James Webb James Fox has his moment of

1859
01:04:33,410 --> 01:04:31,619
contact World premiere on the 17th of

1860
01:04:34,789 --> 01:04:33,420
October if you've got the details from

1861
01:04:37,609 --> 01:04:34,799
that because people can still buy

1862
01:04:39,170 --> 01:04:37,619
tickets yeah so I'll make sure that the

1863
01:04:41,630 --> 01:04:39,180
link is in the description

1864
01:04:44,569 --> 01:04:41,640
um it's October 17th at the Regal LA

1865
01:04:46,789 --> 01:04:44,579
Live Theater it's followed by a q a with

1866
01:04:47,809 --> 01:04:46,799
James if it does well they're going to

1867
01:04:49,609 --> 01:04:47,819
expand it to different screens so

1868
01:04:52,010 --> 01:04:49,619
hopefully it'll be able to be kind of I

1869
01:04:53,809 --> 01:04:52,020
think they call it simulcasting uh on

1870
01:04:56,030 --> 01:04:53,819
the east and west coast and it's

1871
01:04:57,890 --> 01:04:56,040
actually I feel great for James because

1872
01:04:59,329 --> 01:04:57,900
I know how disappointed he was that the

1873
01:05:00,589 --> 01:04:59,339
phenomena didn't get a Silver Screen

1874
01:05:02,329 --> 01:05:00,599
release and it would have been really

1875
01:05:03,890 --> 01:05:02,339
cool to see that in the cinema and take

1876
01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:03,900
some friends along to see it if if I

1877
01:05:08,150 --> 01:05:06,480
could agree with it yeah exactly you

1878
01:05:09,650 --> 01:05:08,160
know no one's fault so so it's really

1879
01:05:11,210 --> 01:05:09,660
wonderful to see that James is going to

1880
01:05:13,549 --> 01:05:11,220
get to present it properly and to talk

1881
01:05:15,589 --> 01:05:13,559
about it and then just to touch on you

1882
01:05:17,930 --> 01:05:15,599
know there's been some rumors that while

1883
01:05:21,170 --> 01:05:17,940
James was out there filming it that he

1884
01:05:23,809 --> 01:05:21,180
came across some footage of the beings

1885
01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:23,819
that were recovered someone on Twitter

1886
01:05:27,470 --> 01:05:25,440
posted and you know pinch assault

1887
01:05:29,390 --> 01:05:27,480
because social media is social media but

1888
01:05:34,130 --> 01:05:29,400
yeah they posted that there's currently

1889
01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:34,140
A 200k Plus offer uh out there monetary

1890
01:05:40,010 --> 01:05:37,440
offer for that person to hand over their

1891
01:05:42,289 --> 01:05:40,020
video of the creature and you know all

1892
01:05:44,089 --> 01:05:42,299
their materials apparently the film was

1893
01:05:45,069 --> 01:05:44,099
shown to James Fox's business partner

1894
01:05:48,890 --> 01:05:45,079
Marco

1895
01:05:51,650 --> 01:05:48,900
and uh yeah we've just got to hope that

1896
01:05:53,210 --> 01:05:51,660
the person goes for it it's

1897
01:05:54,890 --> 01:05:53,220
it's a little disappointing to see that

1898
01:05:56,930 --> 01:05:54,900
the person wants money for it especially

1899
01:05:59,390 --> 01:05:56,940
after you know the we got the Calvin

1900
01:06:00,589 --> 01:05:59,400
photo and that person was so altruistic

1901
01:06:01,910 --> 01:06:00,599
whether he just wanted to make sure it

1902
01:06:05,150 --> 01:06:01,920
was an archive where everyone could see

1903
01:06:07,250 --> 01:06:05,160
it well well does the person actually

1904
01:06:08,990 --> 01:06:07,260
want money or is the money a carrot

1905
01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:09,000
being offered but the persons may be

1906
01:06:13,130 --> 01:06:10,799
nervous or worried about you know giving

1907
01:06:15,349 --> 01:06:13,140
up the footage yeah that's a fair and it

1908
01:06:17,450 --> 01:06:15,359
may even be that yeah I I would give you

1909
01:06:19,670 --> 01:06:17,460
or I would I'll take 200 Grand but it's

1910
01:06:21,230 --> 01:06:19,680
not worth my life potentially again it's

1911
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:21,240
that immunity language we're talking

1912
01:06:24,230 --> 01:06:22,319
about going into legislations

1913
01:06:26,029 --> 01:06:24,240
whistleblowers coming forward it's not

1914
01:06:27,589 --> 01:06:26,039
just yeah I'll hand over the video for

1915
01:06:29,870 --> 01:06:27,599
200 Grand but

1916
01:06:31,849 --> 01:06:29,880
or dvd who knows but it'll be a video

1917
01:06:35,210 --> 01:06:31,859
wouldn't it so yeah well apparently the

1918
01:06:36,829 --> 01:06:35,220
the video shows uh a being lying on a

1919
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:36,839
stretcher inside a hospital in hospital

1920
01:06:40,730 --> 01:06:38,640
in Virginia in the presence of a

1921
01:06:42,289 --> 01:06:40,740
well-known doctor in the city

1922
01:06:44,329 --> 01:06:42,299
so it could be the doctor that has it

1923
01:06:46,730 --> 01:06:44,339
and you know like you say there is more

1924
01:06:48,589 --> 01:06:46,740
on the line than just just releasing a

1925
01:06:50,809 --> 01:06:48,599
video here you know we wouldn't say any

1926
01:06:52,430 --> 01:06:50,819
more on moment of contact Dan and I have

1927
01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:52,440
an advanced screener of it thank you

1928
01:06:56,510 --> 01:06:54,480
very much to James and his people

1929
01:06:58,430 --> 01:06:56,520
um we'll record a review which will be

1930
01:07:01,430 --> 01:06:58,440
released uh we'll probably release it

1931
01:07:03,049 --> 01:07:01,440
the day after the the premiere or once

1932
01:07:05,450 --> 01:07:03,059
it's released online for people to watch

1933
01:07:07,549 --> 01:07:05,460
so it'll be spoiler spoiler-filled and

1934
01:07:09,890 --> 01:07:07,559
so don't watch it until you until you've

1935
01:07:11,569 --> 01:07:09,900
seen a moment of contact anyway and then

1936
01:07:14,930 --> 01:07:11,579
James will be on the podcast I think

1937
01:07:16,789 --> 01:07:14,940
about the week after its release uh to

1938
01:07:19,010 --> 01:07:16,799
to talk about it too so look forward to

1939
01:07:21,529 --> 01:07:19,020
that towards the end of the month

1940
01:07:22,789 --> 01:07:21,539
um Dan much more from yourself you want

1941
01:07:25,130 --> 01:07:22,799
to talk about I think there was maybe a

1942
01:07:26,930 --> 01:07:25,140
couple of bits yeah so there was a there

1943
01:07:29,750 --> 01:07:26,940
was a debrief article from Tim McMillan

1944
01:07:31,789 --> 01:07:29,760
that was extremely long but I recommend

1945
01:07:33,589 --> 01:07:31,799
to everyone to go read it Tim basically

1946
01:07:35,569 --> 01:07:33,599
broke down the classification system in

1947
01:07:37,370 --> 01:07:35,579
America so if you've ever been curious

1948
01:07:38,990 --> 01:07:37,380
about what can they classify who

1949
01:07:40,250 --> 01:07:39,000
classifies it who can declassify

1950
01:07:42,349 --> 01:07:40,260
something why would something be

1951
01:07:43,849 --> 01:07:42,359
classified I do different departments

1952
01:07:46,190 --> 01:07:43,859
have different classification systems

1953
01:07:48,109 --> 01:07:46,200
this goes into all that in my new detail

1954
01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:48,119
and it's wonderful like I say it's a bit

1955
01:07:52,670 --> 01:07:49,920
long I won't summarize it just because

1956
01:07:55,910 --> 01:07:52,680
it is well well worth people's time to

1957
01:07:58,010 --> 01:07:55,920
look at but my takeaway from it was that

1958
01:08:00,170 --> 01:07:58,020
the president can declassify anything

1959
01:08:02,210 --> 01:08:00,180
except

1960
01:08:04,250 --> 01:08:02,220
things related to nuclear secrets

1961
01:08:06,710 --> 01:08:04,260
anything that's related to nuclear

1962
01:08:08,089 --> 01:08:06,720
secrets uh the only the president's only

1963
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:08,099
role there would be to act as a

1964
01:08:12,650 --> 01:08:10,559
tiebreaker to declassify a nuclear

1965
01:08:15,289 --> 01:08:12,660
secret it takes a will of an act of

1966
01:08:17,150 --> 01:08:15,299
Congress as well as that being headed up

1967
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:17,160
by the department of energy and I know a

1968
01:08:19,610 --> 01:08:18,480
few people's ears are going to prick up

1969
01:08:22,910 --> 01:08:19,620
and we say in the department of energy

1970
01:08:25,550 --> 01:08:22,920
but yeah anything related to nuclear

1971
01:08:27,349 --> 01:08:25,560
secrets would be held by the doe and by

1972
01:08:29,209 --> 01:08:27,359
Congress

1973
01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:29,219
they would have to act with legislation

1974
01:08:32,749 --> 01:08:30,960
to get that out

1975
01:08:35,090 --> 01:08:32,759
it's also interesting that Tim mentioned

1976
01:08:36,289 --> 01:08:35,100
something called fogbank so we we often

1977
01:08:38,809 --> 01:08:36,299
talk about

1978
01:08:40,789 --> 01:08:38,819
you know within the 40s Roswell happens

1979
01:08:42,410 --> 01:08:40,799
and they've got all this material what's

1980
01:08:45,229 --> 01:08:42,420
the likelihood that they still have that

1981
01:08:47,749 --> 01:08:45,239
material now and the example of fog Bank

1982
01:08:49,610 --> 01:08:47,759
was included was basically it was a it

1983
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:49,620
was a material that was used in

1984
01:08:54,650 --> 01:08:52,560
manufacturing nuclear weapons and it was

1985
01:08:57,709 --> 01:08:54,660
guarded by such a heavy level heavy

1986
01:08:59,570 --> 01:08:57,719
level of secrecy that by the time they

1987
01:09:01,309 --> 01:08:59,580
ran out of said material they went back

1988
01:09:03,229 --> 01:09:01,319
to kind of get the ingredient list and

1989
01:09:04,849 --> 01:09:03,239
the methods and it was gone no one knew

1990
01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:04,859
how to make it so they kind of had to

1991
01:09:10,010 --> 01:09:06,719
reverse engineer this and and remember

1992
01:09:11,570 --> 01:09:10,020
this is It's nuclear Associated so these

1993
01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:11,580
are hazardous materials this is

1994
01:09:17,809 --> 01:09:15,120
dangerous work and even that was lost to

1995
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:17,819
time so it makes you wonder you know

1996
01:09:21,349 --> 01:09:19,440
what what else has kind of been lost at

1997
01:09:23,570 --> 01:09:21,359
last a time

1998
01:09:25,729 --> 01:09:23,580
um but yeah it's a long article I highly

1999
01:09:26,570 --> 01:09:25,739
recommend people go read it for me at

2000
01:09:29,510 --> 01:09:26,580
least

2001
01:09:30,289 --> 01:09:29,520
it emphasizes that nuclear is the issue

2002
01:09:31,849 --> 01:09:30,299
here

2003
01:09:33,709 --> 01:09:31,859
um Lewis said that before on podcast

2004
01:09:35,689 --> 01:09:33,719
that he can't talk about nuclear things

2005
01:09:37,849 --> 01:09:35,699
because they're so heavily guarded and

2006
01:09:40,070 --> 01:09:37,859
this is a good guide to why

2007
01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:40,080
um Tim finished it off with with the

2008
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:42,719
saying from GI Joe which he says knowing

2009
01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:45,359
is half the battle uh which is very true

2010
01:09:49,370 --> 01:09:47,040
I think that was a great way to end it

2011
01:09:50,689 --> 01:09:49,380
and yeah go read it

2012
01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:50,699
um the other thing would be to say that

2013
01:09:53,870 --> 01:09:52,560
there are no Above Top Secret or Cosmic

2014
01:09:55,370 --> 01:09:53,880
clearances like some people have said

2015
01:09:57,169 --> 01:09:55,380
over the years they just don't exist

2016
01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:57,179
it's kind of like a registration that's

2017
01:10:02,390 --> 01:10:00,480
what they see but yeah they

2018
01:10:05,090 --> 01:10:02,400
um yeah kind of like a registration on a

2019
01:10:06,770 --> 01:10:05,100
car each part of a classification will

2020
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:06,780
have a meaning it'll tell you where it's

2021
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:08,880
from who's done it who has the authority

2022
01:10:12,650 --> 01:10:10,800
to kind of change it and yeah it was

2023
01:10:14,689 --> 01:10:12,660
really interesting everyone should go

2024
01:10:17,570 --> 01:10:14,699
read it then the other thing

2025
01:10:19,370 --> 01:10:17,580
was Travis Taylor who uh you know he's

2026
01:10:20,990 --> 01:10:19,380
in skin walk around she came out as one

2027
01:10:22,550 --> 01:10:21,000
of the lead scientists on the UAP task

2028
01:10:25,130 --> 01:10:22,560
force a few years ago how prepared a

2029
01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:25,140
report he was a phenomena Khan

2030
01:10:31,070 --> 01:10:28,560
phenomicon at Vernal Utah it's been a

2031
01:10:32,630 --> 01:10:31,080
mouthful and some people put videos up

2032
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:32,640
where they went to a q a with him

2033
01:10:35,689 --> 01:10:34,320
essentially while he ate lunch they

2034
01:10:37,370 --> 01:10:35,699
asked him questions and he just answered

2035
01:10:38,990 --> 01:10:37,380
them uh looked like a bit of awkward

2036
01:10:40,550 --> 01:10:39,000
setup to me I can't imagine being

2037
01:10:43,990 --> 01:10:40,560
comfortable with people just asking me

2038
01:10:49,070 --> 01:10:47,209
that was his break but

2039
01:10:50,810 --> 01:10:49,080
um but yeah there were a few things in

2040
01:10:52,669 --> 01:10:50,820
there that were really interesting so

2041
01:10:54,410 --> 01:10:52,679
Travis mentioned that Bigelow supposedly

2042
01:10:56,030 --> 01:10:54,420
sold the ranch because he was convinced

2043
01:10:58,610 --> 01:10:56,040
that it killed his wife

2044
01:11:01,390 --> 01:10:58,620
how true is that I don't know but fairly

2045
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:01,400
heavy right yeah uh he he said that

2046
01:11:05,930 --> 01:11:04,320
Travis and uh Axelrod who we're starting

2047
01:11:08,750 --> 01:11:05,940
to kind of get an idea of maybe being

2048
01:11:10,550 --> 01:11:08,760
Jay Stratton that they had events happen

2049
01:11:12,410 --> 01:11:10,560
within literal microseconds of each

2050
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:12,420
other at different locations and we're

2051
01:11:17,149 --> 01:11:14,159
talking hitchhiker events now like

2052
01:11:19,310 --> 01:11:17,159
weirdness so there might be something to

2053
01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:19,320
you know the event happening at the same

2054
01:11:23,090 --> 01:11:21,120
time in different locations that you

2055
01:11:24,830 --> 01:11:23,100
know we're talking Windows maybe where

2056
01:11:26,090 --> 01:11:24,840
interaction can be heightened and things

2057
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:26,100
like that

2058
01:11:30,649 --> 01:11:28,560
a neighbor of axelrods had an orb fly

2059
01:11:32,570 --> 01:11:30,659
through them uh they got a dangerous

2060
01:11:34,010 --> 01:11:32,580
form of cancer and Travis said she

2061
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:34,020
thinks he thinks she survived but she

2062
01:11:36,350 --> 01:11:35,040
had to go through a whole load of

2063
01:11:38,870 --> 01:11:36,360
dangerous chemo to get rid of it

2064
01:11:40,250 --> 01:11:38,880
apparently Bigelow didn't have great

2065
01:11:42,709 --> 01:11:40,260
equipment when they showed up on the

2066
01:11:45,169 --> 01:11:42,719
ranch it was more weird experiments like

2067
01:11:47,149 --> 01:11:45,179
they found fish tanks with cubes you

2068
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:47,159
know those kind of kid letter kid letter

2069
01:11:51,709 --> 01:11:49,920
cubes yeah inside uh you got to think

2070
01:11:53,149 --> 01:11:51,719
you know they're separating them from

2071
01:11:54,830 --> 01:11:53,159
the outside world so that there's no

2072
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:54,840
interaction and if they move that's a

2073
01:11:59,149 --> 01:11:56,640
kind of communication signal so it's

2074
01:12:01,189 --> 01:11:59,159
interesting that it was so um so low

2075
01:12:02,990 --> 01:12:01,199
Tech you know Bigelow seems very

2076
01:12:04,610 --> 01:12:03,000
different to Brandon fugle who's kind of

2077
01:12:07,130 --> 01:12:04,620
set up all these really extensive

2078
01:12:08,750 --> 01:12:07,140
systems and employed all these really

2079
01:12:10,250 --> 01:12:08,760
wonderful scientists and basically said

2080
01:12:11,930 --> 01:12:10,260
you know you've got to justify it but

2081
01:12:13,490 --> 01:12:11,940
money is no object if you can explain to

2082
01:12:15,649 --> 01:12:13,500
me why you want this piece of equipment

2083
01:12:16,910 --> 01:12:15,659
uh Bigelow it doesn't seem like he he

2084
01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:16,920
took that attack then it was a little

2085
01:12:20,990 --> 01:12:18,960
while ago you know technology hadn't

2086
01:12:23,630 --> 01:12:21,000
been quite so democratized

2087
01:12:25,370 --> 01:12:23,640
Travis also spoke about the recurrence

2088
01:12:27,350 --> 01:12:25,380
of the number 33 around the ranch

2089
01:12:28,910 --> 01:12:27,360
apparently uh with hitchhiker effects

2090
01:12:30,530 --> 01:12:28,920
and things like that which freaked me

2091
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:30,540
out because this this video was split

2092
01:12:34,189 --> 01:12:32,880
into five parts and he said this right

2093
01:12:35,810 --> 01:12:34,199
at the end of one of the parts and I

2094
01:12:38,209 --> 01:12:35,820
went to the next video and the amount of

2095
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:38,219
likes on the video was 33 that creeped

2096
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:40,560
me out a little bit uh but yeah there's

2097
01:12:44,090 --> 01:12:42,000
a recurrence of numbers there you know

2098
01:12:46,189 --> 01:12:44,100
that comes up often and do you know how

2099
01:12:48,530 --> 01:12:46,199
many episodes of Skinwalker Ranch will

2100
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:48,540
have been made by the end of season four

2101
01:12:53,810 --> 01:12:51,120
uh I don't know how many what do you

2102
01:12:55,550 --> 01:12:53,820
think it's going to be 33 isn't it it's

2103
01:12:57,229 --> 01:12:55,560
not um but yeah I just started to that

2104
01:12:58,790 --> 01:12:57,239
anyway but yeah that would have been

2105
01:13:00,290 --> 01:12:58,800
interesting apparently they're really

2106
01:13:02,149 --> 01:13:00,300
kicking things up a notch for the for

2107
01:13:04,310 --> 01:13:02,159
the next season so we'll we'll see them

2108
01:13:06,110 --> 01:13:04,320
being a lot more aggressive can I ask

2109
01:13:08,990 --> 01:13:06,120
you another yes or no question yeah sure

2110
01:13:11,689 --> 01:13:09,000
go for it okay and I said yes or no so

2111
01:13:14,649 --> 01:13:11,699
don't give me any fluff around it

2112
01:13:17,689 --> 01:13:14,659
do you see the Skinwalker Ranch program

2113
01:13:19,790 --> 01:13:17,699
going the way of our cost of Oak Island

2114
01:13:21,169 --> 01:13:19,800
type show where it never really finishes

2115
01:13:23,450 --> 01:13:21,179
and

2116
01:13:27,050 --> 01:13:23,460
they never really find anything

2117
01:13:29,209 --> 01:13:27,060
yes okay that's fine we'll continue that

2118
01:13:32,270 --> 01:13:29,219
I mean you said not to add any fluff

2119
01:13:33,649 --> 01:13:32,280
buttons that is what it is you know I I

2120
01:13:34,970 --> 01:13:33,659
guess that investigation and that's not

2121
01:13:37,070 --> 01:13:34,980
to say that the legitimacy around

2122
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:37,080
Juventus can walk a ranch aren't real

2123
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:40,080
which I believe 100 they are in terms of

2124
01:13:43,550 --> 01:13:41,520
a TV show though

2125
01:13:45,530 --> 01:13:43,560
yeah I think there's certain constraints

2126
01:13:48,110 --> 01:13:45,540
there but that's just TV

2127
01:13:51,649 --> 01:13:48,120
um so yeah and any more on that one Dan

2128
01:13:53,090 --> 01:13:51,659
uh uh just to say Travis book about an

2129
01:13:55,250 --> 01:13:53,100
event where

2130
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:55,260
he he and this is a recurrent event

2131
01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:57,360
where it sounds like imagine someone

2132
01:14:00,830 --> 01:13:58,800
throwing a baseball at the side of the

2133
01:14:02,990 --> 01:14:00,840
trailer but he said think of it like a

2134
01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:03,000
basketball the ball is bigger uh so the

2135
01:14:06,830 --> 01:14:04,800
banging's louder his trailers surrounded

2136
01:14:08,270 --> 01:14:06,840
by cameras and there's no one and

2137
01:14:09,530 --> 01:14:08,280
nothing outside of that truck when

2138
01:14:10,669 --> 01:14:09,540
there's banging on the wall he's had

2139
01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:10,679
other people in the truck with him

2140
01:14:13,490 --> 01:14:12,000
listening to this banging on the wall

2141
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:13,500
and at one point they heard a female

2142
01:14:17,149 --> 01:14:15,600
voice as well talking to them and there

2143
01:14:18,590 --> 01:14:17,159
was no one around uh it made me think of

2144
01:14:20,930 --> 01:14:18,600
the lady and kind of all those things

2145
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:20,940
that uh that are associated with the

2146
01:14:24,890 --> 01:14:23,040
phenomenon so yeah a lot a lot more

2147
01:14:27,050 --> 01:14:24,900
weirdness than we see in the series so

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01:14:29,649 --> 01:14:27,060
it would be nice maybe if someone went

2149
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:29,659
in and produced a very serious

2150
01:14:33,770 --> 01:14:32,640
non-oak Island format look at the work

2151
01:14:34,610 --> 01:14:33,780
they've been doing over the past few

2152
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:34,620
years

2153
01:14:39,770 --> 01:14:36,960
today ever tell you about the gentleman

2154
01:14:42,530 --> 01:14:39,780
I know from a long time ago who worked

2155
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:42,540
on a nuclear submarine uh from Scotland

2156
01:14:47,209 --> 01:14:44,400
who act

2157
01:14:49,310 --> 01:14:47,219
a certain location out at Sea

2158
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:49,320
um they were having something tapped in

2159
01:14:53,810 --> 01:14:51,600
Morse code on the outside of the hull of

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01:14:56,090 --> 01:14:53,820
the the chills that's really creepy and

2161
01:14:58,850 --> 01:14:56,100
it was like equations for things were

2162
01:15:00,229 --> 01:14:58,860
being tapped into the on the metal and

2163
01:15:01,370 --> 01:15:00,239
some of the guys on board to know most

2164
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:01,380
codes were like yeah there's there's

2165
01:15:05,810 --> 01:15:03,600
stuff and nothing

2166
01:15:07,669 --> 01:15:05,820
really strange there's so many

2167
01:15:09,050 --> 01:15:07,679
interesting noises that come from under

2168
01:15:11,870 --> 01:15:09,060
our oceans that you've got to wonder

2169
01:15:12,770 --> 01:15:11,880
what and if there's something down there

2170
01:15:14,810 --> 01:15:12,780
you know

2171
01:15:17,390 --> 01:15:14,820
and also the same gentleman told me and

2172
01:15:19,790 --> 01:15:17,400
this was when I was younger that um they

2173
01:15:21,229 --> 01:15:19,800
got bumped by what they said that the

2174
01:15:23,870 --> 01:15:21,239
nuclear submarines would sometimes get

2175
01:15:25,490 --> 01:15:23,880
bumped by whales who thought maybe it's

2176
01:15:27,169 --> 01:15:25,500
another whale or kind of nudge them

2177
01:15:29,649 --> 01:15:27,179
along whatever it may have been and he

2178
01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:29,659
said one country then yeah yeah

2179
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:34,080
uh yeah it's not that aggressive country

2180
01:15:37,790 --> 01:15:35,760
um and there was another time that it

2181
01:15:40,370 --> 01:15:37,800
got bumped and they thought something

2182
01:15:41,930 --> 01:15:40,380
was maybe attacking the submarine that

2183
01:15:43,370 --> 01:15:41,940
again that's a long time ago folks I'm

2184
01:15:46,070 --> 01:15:43,380
being very very paraphrased of

2185
01:15:48,050 --> 01:15:46,080
paraphrase as a word that is now

2186
01:15:49,729 --> 01:15:48,060
um and basically when they came up I

2187
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:49,739
believe it was Florida somewhere maybe

2188
01:15:54,890 --> 01:15:52,320
or whatever the coast was maybe

2189
01:15:56,810 --> 01:15:54,900
California to to put the submarine you

2190
01:15:59,209 --> 01:15:56,820
know whether but in the US there was a

2191
01:16:01,610 --> 01:15:59,219
huge claw in the side of it and

2192
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:01,620
apparently Army folks came along took

2193
01:16:06,110 --> 01:16:03,840
the Chloe tarp over it and off it went

2194
01:16:07,610 --> 01:16:06,120
that was a super interesting and you

2195
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:07,620
know we hear about things like that

2196
01:16:10,970 --> 01:16:09,120
doesn't have to be a monster we could be

2197
01:16:14,110 --> 01:16:10,980
talking you know giant squid with kind

2198
01:16:16,130 --> 01:16:14,120
of claws in its its tend to

2199
01:16:17,390 --> 01:16:16,140
could have been a monster but we would

2200
01:16:18,770 --> 01:16:17,400
have called that a monster at some point

2201
01:16:21,470 --> 01:16:18,780
right so that would have been a monster

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01:16:22,689 --> 01:16:21,480
in California oh it would have been very

2203
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:22,699
good all right

2204
01:16:27,350 --> 01:16:25,199
jump same event on the podcast next week

2205
01:16:29,030 --> 01:16:27,360
folks make sure you check that one out

2206
01:16:30,830 --> 01:16:29,040
um but yeah on that Dan will be finished

2207
01:16:32,510 --> 01:16:30,840
very quickly with the new James Webb

2208
01:16:33,830 --> 01:16:32,520
emojis that came out

2209
01:16:36,229 --> 01:16:33,840
um what did you think of those it was

2210
01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:36,239
Neptune we saw an infrared and saw the

2211
01:16:41,330 --> 01:16:38,159
the rings of Neptune the Lesser spotted

2212
01:16:42,950 --> 01:16:41,340
Rings yeah that's right it's one of

2213
01:16:45,350 --> 01:16:42,960
those examples of something that's been

2214
01:16:47,209 --> 01:16:45,360
there all along for us to look at but we

2215
01:16:49,189 --> 01:16:47,219
just didn't have the eyes to see we had

2216
01:16:50,510 --> 01:16:49,199
to develop that site and we're still

2217
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:50,520
going to be doing that across the

2218
01:16:54,290 --> 01:16:52,800
electromagnetic spectrum and and kind of

2219
01:16:56,530 --> 01:16:54,300
looking with different sets of eyes

2220
01:17:00,050 --> 01:16:56,540
essentially at the universe

2221
01:17:01,370 --> 01:17:00,060
sorry Uranus isn't really sorry Neptune

2222
01:17:04,390 --> 01:17:01,380
sorry I don't know why I'm saying Uranus

2223
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:04,400
uh we looked at Jupiter

2224
01:17:09,229 --> 01:17:07,440
we looked at Jupiter as well and that

2225
01:17:11,090 --> 01:17:09,239
had rings and not many people know that

2226
01:17:12,649 --> 01:17:11,100
these planets have rings so it's kind of

2227
01:17:14,510 --> 01:17:12,659
cool to see this spinning out into the

2228
01:17:15,890 --> 01:17:14,520
world you know things are the ideas that

2229
01:17:17,330 --> 01:17:15,900
we grew up with that they would you know

2230
01:17:18,950 --> 01:17:17,340
only satin has a ring in the solar

2231
01:17:21,290 --> 01:17:18,960
system actually it's not true things

2232
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:21,300
exist in other parts of the

2233
01:17:26,149 --> 01:17:23,760
electromagnetic spectrum and it makes

2234
01:17:27,770 --> 01:17:26,159
you wonder what else is out there I'm

2235
01:17:29,810 --> 01:17:27,780
curious to see

2236
01:17:31,669 --> 01:17:29,820
what the image of Earth in infrared

2237
01:17:33,229 --> 01:17:31,679
looks like or near infrared because

2238
01:17:34,430 --> 01:17:33,239
they've imaged all of the bodies in the

2239
01:17:35,990 --> 01:17:34,440
solar system so we're going to get a

2240
01:17:37,610 --> 01:17:36,000
good look at everything that we're used

2241
01:17:39,590 --> 01:17:37,620
to seeing but see it in a completely

2242
01:17:41,689 --> 01:17:39,600
different light I just hope we get some

2243
01:17:43,130 --> 01:17:41,699
emojis coming out that even the

2244
01:17:45,470 --> 01:17:43,140
scientists and astronomers looking at

2245
01:17:46,850 --> 01:17:45,480
them go what the hell is that that's

2246
01:17:48,470 --> 01:17:46,860
what I want like you know like something

2247
01:17:50,030 --> 01:17:48,480
they just had no idea would even be

2248
01:17:51,050 --> 01:17:50,040
there that would be pretty cool and I

2249
01:17:53,030 --> 01:17:51,060
don't think we're going to end up with

2250
01:17:54,530 --> 01:17:53,040
something like that we're just this

2251
01:17:56,209 --> 01:17:54,540
isn't James Webb related it's not even

2252
01:17:59,630 --> 01:17:56,219
in my notes but I'll just mention it we

2253
01:18:01,669 --> 01:17:59,640
have a flyby of Europa uh soon where

2254
01:18:03,709 --> 01:18:01,679
basically we're sending a spacecraft

2255
01:18:05,510 --> 01:18:03,719
over Europa to get images better than

2256
01:18:08,149 --> 01:18:05,520
we've seen in the past

2257
01:18:10,250 --> 01:18:08,159
since looking at in the past we think

2258
01:18:12,590 --> 01:18:10,260
that it's an ocean world that underneath

2259
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:12,600
its surface which is covered in ice that

2260
01:18:16,189 --> 01:18:14,400
there's water we think there have been

2261
01:18:18,169 --> 01:18:16,199
geysers kind of spewing out into space

2262
01:18:22,070 --> 01:18:18,179
and at the base of those geysers would

2263
01:18:24,590 --> 01:18:22,080
be life essentially so we could in a few

2264
01:18:28,490 --> 01:18:24,600
months be seen images of life or

2265
01:18:30,350 --> 01:18:28,500
microbial life or under sea life from

2266
01:18:32,330 --> 01:18:30,360
another planet in the solar system or a

2267
01:18:34,729 --> 01:18:32,340
moon uh and that would be real real

2268
01:18:37,490 --> 01:18:34,739
interesting smashing some probe into

2269
01:18:39,050 --> 01:18:37,500
some alien whale and God yeah that would

2270
01:18:41,410 --> 01:18:39,060
be very human wouldn't it oh look we've

2271
01:18:44,709 --> 01:18:41,420
found life but we also killed it yeah

2272
01:18:47,450 --> 01:18:44,719
that would be so so human

2273
01:18:49,070 --> 01:18:47,460
yeah on that note folks yeah

2274
01:18:50,390 --> 01:18:49,080
um God I bet there's protocols for that

2275
01:18:51,890 --> 01:18:50,400
as well I wasn't there what did we do if

2276
01:18:54,229 --> 01:18:51,900
we accidentally kill alien life that

2277
01:18:56,270 --> 01:18:54,239
there's a conversation for another time

2278
01:18:58,250 --> 01:18:56,280
um listen um this week available early

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in ad free is the Whitley stuber

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really fascinating conversation with

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Whitley

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um and then after that folks October is

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01:19:09,470 --> 01:19:07,140
absolutely act in terms of guess there's

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a two-hour conversation with Jim semivan

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01:19:14,810 --> 01:19:12,540
current uh co-founder of Tom was Tom

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Delong of two of the Stars Jacque Valley

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is then the guest just a week after that

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and then followed by James Fox so it's a

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01:19:23,090 --> 01:19:20,880
hell of a month after going to get on

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2297
01:19:40,729 --> 01:19:37,679
note of killing alien whales

2298
01:19:43,250 --> 01:19:40,739
how do you say alien Wales in Welsh I

2299
01:19:46,430 --> 01:19:43,260
don't even uh we don't have a word for

2300
01:19:48,590 --> 01:19:46,440
alien in Welsh we tend to use uh poble

2301
01:19:49,510 --> 01:19:48,600
sarin which is star people so it would

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01:19:52,130 --> 01:19:49,520
be

2303
01:19:55,790 --> 01:19:52,140
Saran comrade you could have just made

2304
01:19:58,130 --> 01:19:55,800
that up anyway yeah okay thanks folks

2305
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:58,140
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